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Autodesk Smoke is changing. Everything.
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[Thomas Frank] “Where did you get that Info that Apple is discontinuing the Mac Pro? Like to see the valid source.”
No valid source, just assumptions based on evidence. I would love to be proven wrong.
Herb Sevush
Zebra Productions
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What source is that?
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That is the point I don’t see any evidence only one I see (if you want to compare with the past) the Mac Pro is still ticking.
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[Thomas Frank] “What source is that? Like to see read the source myself.”
The original thread is here:
https://forums.creativecow.net/thread/335/29895Shane has not revealed the identify of his sources.
Walter Soyka
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[Thomas Frank] “That is the point I don’t see any evidence only one I see (if you want to compare with the past) the Mac Pro is still ticking. It seems Nvidia is planning for a major card update on the Mac.”
Did you just refute a rumor with another rumor?
Walter Soyka
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[Thomas Frank] ” I don’t see any evidence”
It was long presumed that the only reason the MacPro line has not been refreshed in over 18 months was the delay in releasing the new Xeons. The Xeons were released over a month ago, many other competitors have announced new releases (see HP Z820) and Apple is sphinx like. At the time of the Intel release many were guessing that new MacPros would be out by mid April. The clock is ticking.
Herb Sevush
Zebra Productions
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[Herb Sevush] “If those pr*cks at Autodesk wanted an affordable editor/finishing platform they had the basis for one 8 years ago – edit* + combustion.”
Yeah, I used to use it when it was D/Vision before Discreet Logic ate it. Back when Crystal Flying Fonts was considered an ace gfx package.
[Herb Sevush] “They threw it away then because they didn’t know how to market to the masses, I doubt they’re any smarter about that market now.”
You would obviously know better, but my impression at the time was they purposely hobbled and then killed it because it offered to much competition to their precious IRIX line, specifically to Smoke.
[Herb Sevush] “I also like the irony of them unveiling a new “Smoke” for Mac just as Apple discontinues the MacPro line”
[Herb Sevush] “[Chris Harlan] “That’s funny.”
Not so funny from my point of view.”Then how about an iRonic Sequel–That’s Funny2: Smoke gets in your i.
Cue The Platters: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YtTbPe0hcvY
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[Chris Harlan] “my impression at the time was they purposely hobbled and then killed it because it offered to much competition to their precious IRIX line, specifically to Smoke. “
It was a combination of the two, inability to market a low cost editor along with fear of the low cost editor eating into sales of it’s more profitable siblings. Along with gross stupidity off course – starting with the albatross of it’s new name – *edit. I can’t begin to tell you how many Abott and Costello “who’s on first” routines that name caused it’s users.
Herb Sevush
Zebra Productions
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[Herb Sevush] “It was a combination of the two, inability to market a low cost editor along with fear of the low cost editor eating into sales of it’s more profitable siblings. Along with gross stupidity off course”
I remember thinking how weirdly unaware they were (or at least pretended to be ) that the SGI speed/power kingdom was being overtaken by mass-produced dual Pentiums and the rapid development of cheap, advanced gfx cards to feed a hoard of hungry gamers. I felt that they actually NEEDED something like that on the NT platform to take advantage of that surge. Hey, maybe the announcement will be Smoke for Windows NT!
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funny – I started this same thread on the Smoke forum and only got one comment – should have known this would be the place for speculation and chatter! 😉
I’ve been using Smoke-Mac for about 6 months as a Color/Finish tool in a shop with 10 edit rooms (currently Avid 5 and FCP 7 – hoping CS6 is great), and I’ve gotta say that the learning curve for Smoke is pretty steep. It’s quite a reminder of how similar most Mac/Windows programs are – the metaphors and organization Autodesk uses are completely different than what you’re used to. Once you get it, it’s pretty awesome/powerful, (and could be even more awesome with some improvements) but the idea of switching a facility to Smoke as a primary editing tool?
It would need a MAJOR overhaul to fit that bill – interface, cost, SAN architecture, etc…
Well, let’s see what the big news is – but I doubt it would make sense for most places. With the XML/AAF conform, why do you need to edit in the same tool as you finish?
For short projects with a quick turnaround, it might make sense to skip the conform step, but I can’t imagine doing a large project, and sorting through hours and hours of footage and with Smoke would be more efficient than an Avid/FCP 7.
Just not sure “more editing centric” is good enough for most editors to make such a major switch…
Personally, I would love to see
1) some Lustre integration (or at least g-masks in the Color Warper secondaries!),
2) Are re-think of the Editdesk/Library relationship, and of course,
3) we’d all love Batch FX… (or at least Batch Export from the Library)We’ll see on Sunday!
(at least the speculation is only going on for a few days, as opposed to the endless months of spilled in over FCP-X…)
David Jahns
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