Apple’s Personal VISTA

[Daniel Garcia robles]

Hi Sascha, LOL that was exactly how I was describing this new software to a friend. The editing equivalent to Vista. I think this is going to be a massive flop in the professional world and I can see a lot of heads starting to look elsewhere including myself.

Good for Apple, they have created the first editing tool designed for Youtube and Vimeo, no doubt there is a market, but please, do not try to fool the rest of us.

[Tom Brooks]

Lot of Avid people saying I told you so. Never should have gone with Apple to begin with. I disagree. We went with FC because it was new in many ways. This is more new. We were due for a change.

[Hector Berrebi]

[Sascha Engel] “A sad day for all professional FCP users!”

🙂 you’re quick

but remember what i told you on that same talk

if it is apple’s VISTA, and they will acknowledge it, like Microsoft did at the time. then by next NAB we will see solutions to many things that bug us in this release. and peace will reign again

the scary scenario is that they don’t care, or worst… believe there is nothing wrong with this version

we must feedback, and feedback a lot

maybe some online petition page?
this would be the perfect timing for it

hector

Hector Berrebi
prePost Consulting

[Sascha Engel]

Well, don’t get me wrong I am up & open for changes, since I always was an autodidact, I don’t mind learning a new interface. And I do think a lot things are amazing in this new X version: Magnetic Timeline, Media Management, no render time and so on.
But simple things like OMF, XML opening FCP 7 docs, just to name a view, are basic essential ingredients of a pro workflow.

I have to agree with Daniel: Those Missing features make it a Prosumer version orientated on the YouTube Vimeo publishing semi-professional market. That is certainly a gap, they are smart to push into, but then release that parallel and not instead the Professional NLE Software , which FCP was standing for.

Without those features, FCPX is nothing but iMovie on Steroids.
And I was ALWAYS loyal to FCP over many years, but if they are not fixing all those problems, I will switch to AVID, and I swear I never thought I would ever consider this in my life!!!!!

AND: What is with colou??????? They killed it!
AHHHHHHHHH!!!!
Such a genious application – COLOUR was a masterpiece of software.

What a failure!

[Andrew Wilson]

When final cut was new it was not new in many ways. I was a Media Composer editor for many years before Final Cut and what apple did was bring an AVID interface and sensibility to the apple platform for under $1000 at a time when AVID seemed to be abandoning the apple platform and was charging much more.

I know there has been a lot of talk about apple abandoning the pro market but look at cameras that apple has qualified for FCPX…. FLIP, GoPRO, Contour!??

Only 6 cameras from Sony? 5 from Canon and 9 from Panasonic?

ouch.

Andrew Wilson
WestView Digital Video & Design
http://www.westviewdigital.com

[Sascha Engel]

I hope you are right, Hector, cause I fear, that – seeing the price of the new software – they really want to push into the semi-pro market of mini freelancers and wannabes, that are creating web & YT & VIMEO content – and in this case – they wouldn’t wanna fix it – in this case, they did not do a mistake, but made exactly the right product…just not for us!
Yes, I think a petition would be a brilliant idea!!!
When was actually the official worl wide release date?

Sascha

[Reg Wrench]

I totally agree. I’d like to know how long / whether fcp7 will be supported. There are still some multiclip bugs in there ( namely errors with dissolves in sequence and edls) which need fixing). With no multiclip editing or full quality broadcast monitoring anymore it looks like it’s back to avid for a lot of users. Fcp X is not a professional piece of software anymore, and that is a decision made by the users not the manufacturers.
Hopefully Apple will listen to it’s professional user base and bring back the features that let us editors work and interface with other professionals – sound mixers, colorists, broadcasters etc as we successfully do at present with fcp7. They denied the early rumor about it being more prosumer and yet that’s exactly what they’ve done. I’ll watch it with interest as I did with Fcp when it first came out, it will be awesome one day, but it’s not yet.
A great disappointment for professional apple users … we had fun though didn’t we?! Thank god avid has kept developing on the professional route and listened to it’s users!

[Rafael Amador]

I’m mourning with you Sascha.
– Less In put options
– Les customizable than ever: Fix project sizes THIS IS A SHIT VIDEO IS NOT just BROADCAST VIDEO ANY MORE, I don’t wan’t to get stuck with few sizes: I want to edit and export at the size I want.
– Crap Export option.s Where do you set the specs for the H264 on export?
– Where is the 10b RGB Rendering? Not even 8b RGB?
– The filter are an insult: have you see the “Broadcast Safe” Filter”?
What crap is that?
– Where are the fundamental video filters: Shift-fields, deinterlacing, de-flickers.
– How can I see and change project properties?
– Where can i see the footage properties and change them?
– How do I fix a wrong field order?

I don’t give a damm about interface, media managing, metada and all that crap.I’m editing without that for years, but i’ve never worked in a system where you have control over nothing.
Carps, I can work with FCS3 for another 20 years.
Rafael
PS: What is your experience with AVID, PP or Edius?

http://www.nagavideo.com

[Sascha Engel]

Hi Raphael, good to hear from you again!
It’s been a while. Missed ya man. When you through a word like “Shit” on the COW, it means you are really pissed 😉
Well my experience with PP is long ago, it’s the first NLE I started with – it was version one.
Did a job a while ago on a newer version, seemed stable, user friendly and far more Pro than FCP X.
For music video editing VEGAS is genious: You can set the timeline to ms which is far more precies than frames. AVID, I must admit I was always scared off – the user interface and the whole workflow doesn’t seem to go with the way my brain works.
But before I switch to this f….g &%$&* piece of s..t software – yes, I would go for AVID.
Or: I simply stick with my last FCP version – I am very happy with that.

Why did they do this?
I really cannot understand, how a big company like Apple can make such a fatal decision in Software development???????

[Chris Kenny]

[Tom Brooks] “Lot of Avid people saying I told you so. Never should have gone with Apple to begin with. I disagree. We went with FC because it was new in many ways. This is more new. We were due for a change.”

Yeah, all the Avid folks crowing over this should probably cut it out. First off, it’s pretty obnoxious behavior. More more to the point, though, FCP X is about five key features away from being right in the mix with complex multi-application workflows, and there are promising indications about three of them already. Meanwhile, in terms of core technology and user interface, it’s miles ahead of Media Composer, and it’s 1/8 of the price. I hope Avid itself isn’t as silly as some of its fans; they need to be taking this very seriously.

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Digital Workflow/Colorist, Nice Dissolve.

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