Creative Communities of the World Forums

The peer to peer support community for media production professionals.

Activity Forums Creative Community Conversations Apple’s Personal VISTA

  • Benjamin Reichman

    June 22, 2011 at 2:48 pm

    I agree with and understand the frustration and anger in this thread. I’m stunned. I was on a shoot when FCP X was released yesterday, so I didn’t go online, but today I feel like the COW is filled with the dazed survivors of a train crash… 😉

    However, if this is really is Apple’s Vista, there’s some hope.

    Remember that although Windows Vista was terrible, the low-level under-the-hood code, the real foundation of Windows, was revamped and remade in powerful ways. The problems were big, but they were largely with what was on TOP of that new, strong foundation.

    Then with Windows 7, they fixed all the top layers and tweaked the under-the-hood code in a few simple ways, and the result was what appeared to be a massive overhaul–a truly great operating system. But it wasn’t a big overhaul. It was simply Vista…finished.

    So if–and this is a big IF–FCP X is like Vista, a great foundation with junk on top, then Apple can in the next year or two turn it into the equivalent of Windows 7.

    Here’s hoping! And in the mean time: oy.

  • Jeremy Cole

    June 22, 2011 at 3:12 pm

    Apple has produced a consumer/prosumer level product. Just look at the feature set, the names they use to describe processes, the lack of a customizable interface, the devices they feature in the menus, the lack of a way to work with audio studios or colorists, the inability to import existing FCP7 programs. This has not been designed as an upgrade to FCP7. There is no upgrade path. All of that should tell you that this is not a product for professionals. Period. It is a new product with some neat features that appears to have been designed by the iMovie team at Apple.

    They made one mistake here, and that is to try and piggyback on the FCP name. They should have called it something different so there would be no confusion. It is not a successor to Final Cut Pro 7. There isn’t one. This product may sell a lot of macs coming out in August, but, I am sure that they know that will lose the professional market and they probably don’t care.

    Regards,
    Jeremy

  • Tim Wilson

    June 22, 2011 at 4:16 pm

    I think Benjamin is right on track: Vista was a strong foundation with garbage on top, which Windows 7 cleaned up. For all that I’m writing this on a MacBook Pro, and a hardcore Apple user since 1979 (yes), W7 is my favorite OS to date…although Lion is looking mighty fine, so we’ll see. As much as I think it would have done Apple some good to wait until the fall to roll this out, as Signore Springsteen wrote, Someday we’ll look back on this and it will all seem funny.

    As for Avid guys piling on being obnoxious, they are a teeny tiny part of this. There aren’t Avid trolls running around this forum – it’s primarily people who have established themselves as FCP mainstays over a period of years. The fact is that Avid, Adobe, Microsoft, Sony, the commies, the aliens, and Elvis himself COMBINED could not possibly stir up the rage, resentment and Fear, Uncertainty and Doubt that Apple themselves have.

    Apple has succeeded to the extent that right now, they are their only enemy. They are the only ones who can stop their own progress. Betting against any business that Apple is in for the long haul is for suckers….

    …which isn’t to say that this release isn’t a disaster for you. Maybe it is. Apple has weathered more disasters than I can think of, but right now, System 7, OS X, 10.2, anything related to a processor change come to mind – disasters, every one of them. It all turned out fine. Vista really is the perfect example.

    PS. A big, big reason why Vista was a disaster was because people tried to run (whether you like it or not) a modern OS on old machines. It hasn’t happened as much for Apple because so many of its problems were caused by their own new machines, but whatever else you have planned for the future of FCPX or Lion, you better be saving your pennies now.

  • Sascha Engel

    June 22, 2011 at 5:14 pm

    It’s terrible, but I think you are totally right, Jeremy.

    Sascha

  • Gabe Thorburn

    June 22, 2011 at 7:46 pm

    [Andrew Wilson] “apple has qualified for FCPX…. FLIP, GoPRO, Contour!??”

    Actually these cameras are used all the time on reality tv shows and should be supported.

  • Rafael Amador

    June 22, 2011 at 11:42 pm

    [Sascha Engel] “Why did they do this?
    I really cannot understand, how a big company like Apple can make such a fatal decision in Software development???????”

    Hi Sascha, sorry for my bad words and moods.
    I can’t talk much. Still in shock.
    We are waiting for “The new FC” since a few years ago.
    I have FC.7 and I can keep working with him for the next few years.
    I could have have waited 6 more months or even one year, for the new FC.
    But this have been too much.

    is not about what they’ve done with the application (is their property and they can burn it if they want), but how they have treated their customers.
    I don’t gonna work in parallel with two application till FCX grow up. I’m already 53 and for when FCX will be an option, I will have lost all my interest in learn it.
    rafael

    http://www.nagavideo.com

  • Sascha Engel

    June 23, 2011 at 12:04 am

    Hi RAF,

    No need to say sorry, I was just joking. Because the COW wanted to bann me on e for cursing.
    I totally understand you- I was cursing myself and also in shock: 5 days ago my father in law died, and we are sitting Shiv’a and now FCP dies. I’m so mad. I started out on PP and then stepped over to FCP and been faithful ever since. I feel really sad about how apple treats his long term pro customers. Such a slap in the face. And to dare to call this FCP just beats it all: how rude! Do they think we are morons????? It’s like selling a Porsche with a Trabant engine. You think I will not notice? This is such a cheat. It even beats the killing of Shake. No words!

Page 2 of 2

We use anonymous cookies to give you the best experience we can.
Our Privacy policy | GDPR Policy