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[Sean ONeil] “FCP feels sluggish and bloated. Large projects take ages to open and save, and having them open causes instability and can occationally crash.
RT Effects are great with SD DV. That’s about it. Anything higher, uncompressed or HD, it’s very sluggish and render times are horrible with most effects. Multicam, color correction, working with high-res stills. It’s painful. And mixing formats is a nightmare of course”
I haven’t had the large project issues at all since 5 was released and I work with large projects all the time, RT works great with some HD, I get real time CC in DVCProHD and XDCam HD as well. Multicam is not great, I agree and mixed formats would be good but I still think as it stands FCP works very well.
My only worry about a rewrite is that it will be bug filled and take a year or so to achieve reasonable stability. hopefully the long delay between 5 and 6 means they’ve beta tested it well.
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point is, fcp has to improve its method of making projects and being able to save quickly. Ive been told to make projects for each “bin” or for only sequences, and selects, etc. It has helped a lot, but common, there should be 1 project for 1 project (tough concept, i know). Also, i have a folder with all finalcut projects that equals 700mb. When i “add to archive” it compresses to 20mb. There could be some optimizing there that would definitely decrease project file sizes and saving speed. I think if apple was making these output/capture cards, final cut would be years behind. Luckily Aja’s and decklinks first priority is making Video Hardware. FCP in my opinion can’t possibly be at the top of apples priority list. They make more with itunes in a day they fcp in a month.
At the end of the day though. I love how i can cut dvcpro hd and output to a client monitor, and reference monitor and later output to an hdcam deck. I spent 1k for a decklink card (now i regret not getting aja) instead of spending 25 thousand on an avid adrenaline. I still think that most of the advantages are in the cheap hardware though, the software in my opinion needs a boost.
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[Sean ONeil] “RT Effects are great with SD DV. That’s about it. Anything higher, uncompressed or HD, it’s very sluggish and render times are horrible with most effects.”
Then your drives aren’t fast enough. I’m cutting DVCPro HD in my suite all day every day, and my other suite is cutting Uncompressed 8bit SD all day, every day and RT effects are no issues here. Multiple graphics tracks, color correction, etc… all work in rt. Render times are normal here, 1 hour for a 22 minute show fully color corrected.
Walter Biscardi, Jr.
https://www.biscardicreative.com
HD Editorial & Animation for Food Network’s “Good Eats”
HD Editorial for “Assignment Earth”“I reject your reality and substitute my own!” – Adam Savage, Mythbusters
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[cls105] “point is, fcp has to improve its method of making projects and being able to save quickly. Ive been told to make projects for each “bin” or for only sequences, and selects, etc. It has helped a lot, but common, there should be 1 project for 1 project (tough concept, i know).”
Never heard that one. I’m cutting our fourth documentary episode this year with over 20 hours of material and FCP takes about 1 minute to load up the project. About the same for each episode and we’re working with DVCPro HD 1080i material. We only do “1 project for 1 project.”
Walter Biscardi, Jr.
https://www.biscardicreative.com
HD Editorial & Animation for Food Network’s “Good Eats”
HD Editorial for “Assignment Earth”“I reject your reality and substitute my own!” – Adam Savage, Mythbusters
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whats the file size of the project?
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You don’t need to separate your bins into different projects. It’s the sequences that inflate project size. You can move older sequences into a different project to decrease your project size. I’ve worked on reality shows with 250 hr of footage and and the autosaves for a project of this size is never more than 2-3 seconds.
[cls105] “I spent 1k for a decklink card (now i regret not getting aja) instead of spending 25 thousand on an avid adrenaline. I still think that most of the advantages are in the cheap hardware though, the software in my opinion needs a boost.”
Well, it’s the FCP software that is written to take advantage of these cards. These cards just don’t work by themselves when you plug them in. I think you are short changing the software in that sense. Avid doesn’t work with these cards and probably never will in my lifetime.
People will never be satisfied with software. When FCP can handle 9 streams of UC 1080i multicam, people will still complain that it doesn’t get enough realtime with UC HD 4:4:4 or the ViperCam!
If your chief areas of improvement are the amount of time to open a project and to autosave, then the FCP team ain’t doing that bad.
-CHL
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[walter biscardi] “Render times are normal here, 1 hour for a 22 minute show fully color corrected. “
Your use of the word “normal” is subjective and relative to what you are used to. 1 hour rendering for a 22 minute show, to me at least, leaves at least 59 minutes and 59 seconds for improvement. The current version of FCP is built on technology from 1997. I think everyone is going to be blown away with what the combiniation of FCP6, Leopard, and an Intel Mac Pro will be capable of. Call me spoiled, but I feel its long overdue.
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[Sean ONeil] “Your use of the word “normal” is subjective and relative to what you are used to. 1 hour rendering for a 22 minute show, to me at least, leaves at least 59 minutes and 59 seconds for improvement.”
Ok, perhaps I should clarify. 4 layers of Colorista Color Correction plus Broadcast Safe and Levels Filter applied per clip. The same length of show takes approx. 55 minutes in Final Touch HD to render so I’m getting about the same per show.
Just one level of color correction and i could lay out in realtime.
Want faster performance? Go purchase a fully hardware integrated NLE. I’m fine with the rendering in FCP as it stands now so long as the price holds.
Walter Biscardi, Jr.
https://www.biscardicreative.com
HD Editorial & Animation for Food Network’s “Good Eats”
HD Editorial for “Assignment Earth”“I reject your reality and substitute my own!” – Adam Savage, Mythbusters
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