Apple ProRes 422

[John Rofrano]

[Richard Allen] “Situation: I have a production company sending me a file that I have to drop additional footage (commercials, openning, closing, commerical bumps)in no time flat. As it stands, I’ll be getting a ProRess422 file. “

What do they expect you to deliver back to them? While you can read ProRes, you cannot generate ProRes on a PC.

[Richard Allen] “Will Vegas 7 edit this natively.”

Not natively. It uses Quicktime and unfortunately Vegas 7 doesn’t work with any QuickTime newer than 7.6.2 so you’ll need to make sure you have that version.

[Richard Allen] “Is this the same as a .h264 (which I know is a no)”

No, it’s a proprietary Apple intermediary codec.

[Richard Allen] “Is there a better, universal fromat that I can suggest so I don’t have to upgrade? (These guys are Mac guys so I’m sure were talking Final Cut Pro. Don’t know about FCP liking it but I’m thinking .MXF)”

The Avid DNxHD QuickTime codec is the best choice. They would need to install it and export to you in Avid DNXHD and you could do the same.

~jr

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[Richard Allen]

Thanks for the response.

I’m kicking it out to air on a local station that night. I’ve work with this station before and .mxf will be the export file no matter the import (and it works great on Vegas imho)

I assume that if you said not natively, you mean I have to have Quick time Professional (with writing capabilities).

Maybe I used a technical term that did not apply. “I’m not asking if Sony wrote the codec to read this file”, I’m wondering if out the box (with updates of course) can Vegas 7 read and edit ProRess422 or do you have to buy another program or update Vegas.

Thanks again for the help

[Mike Kujbida]

[Richard Allen] “I assume that if you said not natively, you mean I have to have Quick time Professional (with writing capabilities).”

What John means is that QuickTime 7.6.2 is the latest version that Vegas 7 will support.

“I’m wondering if out the box (with updates of course) can Vegas 7 read and edit ProRess422 or do you have to buy another program or update Vegas.”

Anything newer than 7.6.2 will NOT work in your version of Vegas and, as I recall, ProRes support (i.e Vegas being able to read a ProRes file) wasn’t added until sometime after that version.
Check it yourself to confirm this though as I’m not 100% certain.
Updating to Pro 10 solves this (and many more) problem.
I’m working on a project with several ProRes files from a local FCP post house and can confirm that it does work on Pro 10.

[Richard Allen]

Any way you can send me a 10sec anonymous clip to try it out. I could send you ftp info.

[John Rofrano]

[Richard Allen] “I assume that if you said not natively, you mean I have to have Quick time Professional (with writing capabilities). “

No you don’t need to buy Quicktime Pro but you do need the free QuickTime 7.6.2 which is why I said it wasn’t “natively” supported. Without QuickTime being instaled, vegas cannot read MOV files at all. ProRes422 support is in QuickTime 7.6.2 so all you need is that free installer which you can fine here.

~jr

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[Al Bergstein]

well I just learned something! John, you are saying that Prores footage is editable in Vegas 10.x as long as I have QT installed? That would be great, as I have lots of Prores footage on my Mac that I would love to bring over if necessary in the future, which seems closer than it did before X was shipped.

Also, I have had no problem, when forced, to take my xf305 footage shot in Canon’s MXF and importing it natively into Final Cut Pro or Vegas. So if you are looking to upgrade your camera at some point, and want a broadcast quality, both Sony’s EX-3 or Canon’s xf300/305 are great choices. I am loving the xf305. Footage is out of this world wonderful in either Sony or Canon.

Alf

[John Rofrano]

[Al Bergstein] “John, you are saying that Prores footage is editable in Vegas 10.x as long as I have QT installed?”

Yes. As Mike Kujbida pointed out, he edits ProRes422 with Vegas Pro 10 all the time.

[Al Bergstein] ” when forced, to take my xf305 footage shot in Canon’s MXF and importing it natively into Final Cut Pro or Vegas.”

That’s good to know. I believe that Sony MXF requires an extra free plug-in for FCP from Sony (at least that’s what I’m told since I don’t have FCP).

~jr

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[Richard Allen]

[John Rofrano] “Not natively. It uses Quicktime and unfortunately Vegas 7 doesn’t work with any QuickTime newer than 7.6.2 so you’ll need to make sure you have that version.”

Are you sure about this? I have 7.6.9 installed with the lastest upgrade to Vegas7(e), and just edited some .MOV’s.

Come to think about it they might of been ProRess? Maybe I’ll check their file types.

[Richard Allen]

You ever get the feeling your drunk and haven’t been drinking?

I go to the footage I just cut last week, look at the file format and BINGO ProRess422. I’ve probably been editing with them for years I just don’t examine .MOVs that much.

This speaks to one of the reasons I went with Vegas in the first place. I love being able to plop just about anything on the timeline and just start cutting. But I think this has spoiled me because I don’t pay attention to what I’m getting like I should. The only time I start looking under the hood is when I try it and it doesn’t take (like .H264).

I’m sure when I upgrade this “Spoiling” will continue and I may be very close to have taken Vegas7 as far as I can go with it, but for now let’s give it some more.

To qoute a friend
“I’m gonna drive this sucka till the wheels fall off” 🙂

[John Rofrano]

[Richard Allen] “Are you sure about this? I have 7.6.9 installed with the lastest upgrade to Vegas7(e), and just edited some .MOV’s. “

Actually, it may have worked up to 7.6.4 but I’m pretty sure that it broke after that. Maybe 7.6.9 fixed it again?

~jr

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