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Apple engineers versus an editor’s ability to set persistent in to out points in their footage.
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[Jeremy Garchow] “While I see how you can associate favorites with subclips, and when you sort the Event by favorites it gives you some semblance of subclips, they don’t have to be.”
What do you see as the differences? When would a favorite not be a subclip?
[Jeremy Garchow] “We should also disassociate favorites from keywords. They work very differently. “
Again, I’m curious what the distinction is. Aren’t favorites just a special keyword with a special keyboard shortcut? If not, why not?
[Jeremy Garchow] “How do you define persistent? From what I understand of the word, temporary does not fit.”
I think of it the same way as the clipboard. It’s only persistent until the next action. But it remains if you don’t change anything. Maybe persistent isn’t quite the right term.
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I use I/O marks on clips kinda like a ‘hold on one second’ type of mark. I don’t need a marker, a favorite or a sub clip I just need to hold my place for a second while I briefly go look at something else and come back.
Having the I/O marks disappear to me is like a tabbed browsing environment where every time you move to another tab the tab you just left would automatically scroll back up to the top of the page. Imperfect analogy, but aren’t they all…
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Same old argument again and again and again.
“I was happy the way things were and I don’t like change.”
Verses
“I’m willing to alter my expectations in order to approach traditional processes in new ways.”
Both defensible positions. Neither “wrong.”
But those in the first group are still grappling ( if not downright struggling) with the FCP changes – while the second group has long since stopped fighting the war that’s over (7 is EOL + a year now) and moved on to elevating mastery of the new process.
The only given is that X will never satisfy them – because the real hurt was never the product itself -it was the way they came to believe Apple had betrayed them emotionally by taking away their defining tool.
I guess,”victim” can sometimes be seen as a very alluring role – but I’m personally not very attracted to it.
The world changes.
As Kurt Vonnegut famously summed it up so long ago…
“… and so it goes.”
“Before speaking out ask yourself whether your words are true, whether they are respectful and whether they are needed in our civil discussions.”-Justice O’Connor
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I would really like to have X remember the ins and outs in the various clips in the events, but more importantly on the storyline of the project. I can deal with the issue with favorites in the events but it is maddening to set my in point and out point (or selection start and end) in the primary storyline, go look at something else and then come back and find the marks gone……. That needs to be fixed!
don walker
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I like how neither position is ‘wrong’ yet if you fully embrace X you are ‘elevating’ where as if you haven’t fully embraced X you are struggling and have a victim mentality.
Your right Bill, same ole, same ole.
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[David Lawrence] “What do you see as the differences? When would a favorite not be a subclip?”
When you don’t sort by favorites, or when you’re sorted by list, not thumbnail.
[David Lawrence] “Again, I’m curious what the distinction is. Aren’t favorites just a special keyword with a special keyboard shortcut? If not, why not?”
Keywords are text based sortable. Type the keyword in the sort bubble, get the appropriate results. Favorites don’t work like that at all.
[David Lawrence] “I think of it the same way as the clipboard. It’s only persistent until the next action. But it remains if you don’t change anything. Maybe persistent isn’t quite the right term.”
So, in the Event, you browse a clip, you mark in, your mark out. You go to timeline, come back to event, range is gone.
If you have just hit f before you went to the timeline…?
I mean, that’s really what we are talking about here. One keystroke.
In fcp7, I use extended markers the same way. Ins and out disappear in fcp7, too. They dissappear at different times, but they certainly aren’t persistent.
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[Bill Davis] “The only given is that X will never satisfy them – because the real hurt was never the product itself -it was the way they came to believe Apple had betrayed them emotionally by taking away their defining tool.
“Oh, dear God. Dr. Bill, you can see into our very souls!
Man, you are good for a laugh now and again. That is some funny stuff!
As to FCP7, it may be EOLed but it is still VERY much alive in LA. In fact, people are still buying it. I think it’ll take another year, maybe two before it gives out.
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[Aindreas Gallagher] “dude, jeremy sorry – it’s you, as in one bud, i just refuse to say one because I’m Irish mate – whenever I say you in that fashion, it’s a thought experiment, there is no you!”
Well then, what would “you” might call a GTD?
Spatial arrangement is truly gone.
Simplistic IO = i, o, f. 🙂
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[Jeremy Garchow] “When you don’t sort by favorites, or when you’re sorted by list, not thumbnail.”
I’m still not following. Sorting has nothing to do with whether it’s a subclip or not.
[Jeremy Garchow] “Keywords are text based sortable. Type the keyword in the sort bubble, get the appropriate results. Favorites don’t work like that at all.”
OK, that’s added functionality because the subclip is tagged with the keyword. They’re both still subclips though.
[Jeremy Garchow] “So, in the Event, you browse a clip, you mark in, your mark out. You go to timeline, come back to event, range is gone.
If you have just hit f before you went to the timeline…?
I mean, that’s really what we are talking about here. One keystroke. “
Hitting the F key is easy, but that’s not the point. Why not simply keep marked In/outs on an object until the editor decides to change them?
The way in/outs are typically used, they’re persistent, but disposable. Saving them in a list is unnecessary. If I have to save every in/out I mark as I build an edit, the list would quickly fill with garbage. It doesn’t make sense for the way they’re used.
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