Apple Confirms New Mac Pros and iMacs in 2013-Forbes

[Jim Wiseman]

You’re welcome. Forbes just updated their article to say Apple informed them the 2013 timeframe only applies to the Mac Pro update, which would lead one to believe the iMac will come sooner. I wasn’t planning on updating until next year anyway when my Applecare runs out. Everything with this system, 2010 5,1 is working well.

Jim Wiseman
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[Mathieu Ghekiere]

Just look at what they did with the Macbook Pro Retina.
Personally, this really gave me the feeling that they were tied to the Pro.

They used all their proprietary things and experience they made from the last years, and put it in a product that’s in a way typically Apple: technically brilliant, and maybe more way out there then every other competing product (crazy display, special made fans, non-removable RAM BUT a very tight package, huge potential trough the 2 thunderbolt ports which is also a technology made by them and Intel, …), but it took a while to get there, and it’s very closed off.
But by making some crazy decisions in the design, they come with a product that I believe is very difficult for the competition to match in price or overall features (like they have with their iPad).
They also constantly used Aperture, Photoshop and Final Cut Pro X to show off the laptop, even in their recent TV commercial.

To me this says that it’s for real: they are working on a new Mac Pro, which will also be pretty closed off and radical in some ways, but also far ahead of the competition. Look at FCP X. You can hate it (I sure did in the beginning), but they put some very good groundwork there with the whole meta-data fundaments that will be difficult for the competition to match. It’s very incomplete, but Apple is getting there.
And 4K Thunderbolt displays.

I don’t like the way the Mac Pro’s were (not) updated now. I think Apple could do better, I really do. Pathetic graphics card, huge price for old hardware. But if you go the the forum of RED, and read some posts by Jeff Killgroe who is very knowledgeable, he laid out the technical reasons why he never expected Apple to update the Mac Pro now, and why he believes they will with the next Xeon processors.
Because with those processors, they can immediately make the ‘crazy’ product that they want, that makes a lot less heat, is faster, has native Thunderbolt and USB 3 support, and make it in a much smaller package than the current Mac Pro.

[Paul Dickin]

Hi
Once I got his name spelling sorted (Kilgroe) I was able to find it 😉
https://173.199.159.58/forum/showthread.php?76548-Did-APPLE-forget-APRIL-FOOLS-!-Mac-Pros/page2
https://www.reduser.net/forum/showthread.php?80760-There-IS-a-new-Mac-Pro&p=1021970#post1021970

[Walter Soyka]

[Mathieu Ghekiere] “But if you go the the forum of RED, and read some posts by Jeff Killgroe who is very knowledgeable, he laid out the technical reasons why he never expected Apple to update the Mac Pro now, and why he believes they will with the next Xeon processors. Because with those processors, they can immediately make the ‘crazy’ product that they want, that makes a lot less heat, is faster, has native Thunderbolt and USB 3 support, and make it in a much smaller package than the current Mac Pro.”

Aren’t those “next Xeon processors” the ones that everyone else is shipping today?

Or is he suggesting that Apple intends to skip the current generation entirely, wait for some future Xeon, and continue selling 2010 hardware into 2013?

Further, I disagree with Jeff’s suggestion that Thunderbolt on the current Mac would be useless — see the network effect [link]. The number of other machines in Apple’s lineup (all of them!) that are able to use Thunderbolt makes it valuable to include on the Mac Pro. Conversely, not including Thunderbolt on the Mac Pro makes the Mac Pro less valuable because it cannot participate in the same systems that any other Mac can.

Walter Soyka
Principal & Designer at Keen Live
Motion Graphics, Widescreen Events, Presentation Design, and Consulting
RenderBreak Blog – What I’m thinking when my workstation’s thinking
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[Mathieu Ghekiere]

No, his suggestion is about the NEXT release of Xeon processors, with a 22nm process (or how do you call it?)
The reasons are in the posts Paul dugg op in response to my post (thank you, Paul. I once had a post that I made here that said it had to be reviewed by the moderators because it had bad words in it, namely D – V – info . net which I found very stupid, to be honest. I can’t even put that word in my post, or that’s a *bad word* ?
So I thought putting links to R-E-D-user would maybe have the same effect, so I didn’t put straight links. It seems to work with you, thanks for your search! Those are indeed the posts that I meant.

Oh, and my opinion is also that Apple should have done a MUCH better job with the current upgrade of the Mac Pro, but it seems like they are just planning for that big release next year, and the current update was a last minute change because of the bad press they were getting around the Mac Pro (the Face book page appearing everywhere, etc.)
I don’t disagree with you on that, anything but. But if they want to put all their efforts to making the next generation Mac Pro a MUCH bigger leap in power/design/… then I can take it that this upgrade wasn’t what it in our mind should have been.

[Ron Lindeboom]

[Mathieu Ghekiere] ” I once had a post that I made here that said it had to be reviewed by the moderators because it had bad words in it, namely D – V – info . net which I found very stupid, to be honest. I can’t even put that word in my post, or that’s a *bad word* ?
So I thought putting links to R-E-D-user would maybe have the same effect, so I didn’t put straight links. It seems to work with you, thanks for your search! Those are indeed the posts that I meant. “

So Mathieu, would you like to know the truth as to why? I’ll tell you…

DVinfo had (has?) an auto-responder on their site that basically took all the people they didn’t like and drove them over here. I wrote Chris more than once and asked him to stop it. He refused.

REDuser had (has?) an auto-link-converter on their site that basically changes every post that anyone tries to make at REDuser that references CreativeCOW.net and changes it to a link for a page entitled “I hate Cows.”

If you ever want a straight answer, feel free to write me. I respond. :o)

Oh and yes, I still think DVinfo and REDuser suck.

Best regards,

Ronald Lindeboom
CEO, Creative COW LLC
Publisher, Creative COW Magazine
A 2011 FOLIO: 40 honoree as one of the 40 most influential publishers in America
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[Herb Sevush]

For me the key line in that quote is this:

“there have bee no new Xeon CPUs from Intel for 2 years now. There have been no new Xeon workstation chipsets for three years. What was Apple going to give us? HP and others have not released any new Xeon workstations in the same amount of time. In fact, HP has several irate customers who sound an awful lot like the Mac crowd at the moment. Most of them seem to be relaxing since HP announced the new Z-series systems, which are supposed to ship this month.”

So if none of this delay is Apple’s fault how come all their competitors are going to be releasing updates in the next few months, but it’s going to take Apple another whole year? This fall Dell will be releasing their high end workstation with 2 Tbolt ports while Cook is gooing about something sometime next year, yet Apple had a 1 year lead on Tbolt technology. Being 1 year behind in technology is an enormous handicap, but we’re supposed to wait on Apple. I don’t see it.

Herb Sevush
Zebra Productions
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[Walter Soyka]

[Mathieu Ghekiere] “No, his suggestion is about the NEXT release of Xeon processors, with a 22nm process (or how do you call it?) “

Sorry, I didn’t see Paul’s second link and had only read the first one. Makes a lot more sense now!

I don’t disagree that Apple should be planning for Ivy Bridge — but I can’t understand why they would have planned to skip Sandy Bridge.

They’ve apparently deliberately chosen to neglect their professional users for a year (or more, depending on how you count). Apple says they care about pros with their words, but what do they say with their actions?

Walter Soyka
Principal & Designer at Keen Live
Motion Graphics, Widescreen Events, Presentation Design, and Consulting
RenderBreak Blog – What I’m thinking when my workstation’s thinking
Creative Cow Forum Host: Live & Stage Events

[Mathieu Ghekiere]

Thanks for the reply, Ronald.

Strange. You three boards are at my opinion all good, and all have your down and upsides.

But thanks for the explanation, though.

[Ron Lindeboom]

[Mathieu Ghekiere] “You three boards are at my opinion all good, and all have your down and upsides. “

I never said they weren’t good, Mathieu. I simply said that they suck. 😉

But they think the same of me, so in the interest of balance and fair play, I thought I’d mention that, too.

Best regards,

Ronald Lindeboom
CEO, Creative COW LLC
Publisher, Creative COW Magazine
A 2011 FOLIO: 40 honoree as one of the 40 most influential publishers in America
http://www.creativecow.net

Creativity is a process wherein the student and the teacher are located in the same individual.

“Incompetence has never prevented me from plunging in with enthusiasm.” – Woody Allen

“Be who you are and say what you feel because those that matter, don’t mind — and those that mind, don’t matter.” – Dr. Seuss

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