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AM I MISSING SOMETHING????????????????????????????
Posted by Alexander Gao on February 7, 2006 at 4:48 amPardon me, but I also posted this in the sony dv forum.
Ok, ok, ok. Everybody says that the DCR-TRV900 is such a great camera (for the price range) and that it’s picture quality is spectacular (We’re of course not comparing to HDCAM). Anyways, I don’t see what anybody means unless we’re talking about the 15 fps “progressive” mode. Now, maybe you’re just not supposed to judge the footage on a computer display (20″ apple cinema display), but I think the TRV900’s picture quality is close to crap, kind of like my Sony DCR-TRV510 D8 Handycam. Now, are these raves that I read on google just REALLY outdated, or am I goping mad???? Because I definitely don’t think the camera’s worth 20 bucks if I’m not shooting in the cam’s fake progressive mode.
Will it look 10x better on a video monitor or something???
Forgive the ranting.
Alexander Gao
“When the revolution happens, I’ll be leading it.”
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Thaxter Clavemarlton
February 7, 2006 at 4:58 amYou should never judge the quality of NTSC or PAL video on a computer monitor (FCP Canvas or otherwise).
I think these cameras’ images look VERY good (especially in good light, which they REQUIRE).
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Alexander Gao
February 7, 2006 at 5:05 amSo will the qulaity up and look like, 4x better just by viewing on a video monitor? I mean, I’m watching the interlaced footage on the comp and it’s at full quality (although I know that it is not playing back interlaced)
Alexander Gao
“When the revolution happens, I’ll be leading it.”
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Thaxter Clavemarlton
February 7, 2006 at 5:16 am[thewanggao] “So will the qulaity up and look like, 4x better just by viewing on a video monitor?”
Well, why not just LOOK at a video monitor?
Plug the output of the camera into ANY video monitor or TV with a video input.If you think the image looks bad, it might actually BE bad.
There’s no accounting for indivual shooting techniques or a mis-adjusted or damaged camera.But, its just that my experience with these cameras (as well as with thousands of other users) is that with proper lighting, they look GREAT!
They ARE a bit “softer” compared to, say, even a PD150/170 or VX2000/2100… but they are very acceptable for a small camcorder… very nice images. -
Alexander Gao
February 7, 2006 at 5:24 amFor the record: I do have the GL2, but I was given access to a TRV900 and wondered what all the hype was about. Thanks for trying to help me. I’ll look at it in a tv. (I don’t have a video monitor as I’m in high school. Anyway, Would it be acceptable to connect my video to a tv using the TRV900 as an intermediate?
Alexander Gao
“When the revolution happens, I’ll be leading it.”
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Bret Williams
February 7, 2006 at 6:02 amGood gosh man plug your dang camera into a TV already and find out on your own! Take the video and and stick it in the video in. And D8 is the same rez as DV. They probably do look similar. Shooting on full auto in your classroom is gonna look like dog squeeze. Get some lights and a tripod and a tv and run a test.
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David Roth weiss
February 7, 2006 at 6:28 amAlexander,
Yes, you are clearly missing something.
Do you really believe your post is the most important post on this professional forum?
I can assure you, it isn’t.
All the caps and the thirty or so question marks are very childish. If you’re going to continue that then please get yourself over to the Creative Calf and stay there.
DRW
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Shane Ross
February 7, 2006 at 6:55 amSony’s “frame modes” are notoriously bad. Yes…they are 15fps, and the image quality gets grainier and darker…and looks like garbage. Sony’s HDV also has a “cineframe” mode that simulates progressive mode by taking ONE VIDEO FIELD and spreading the information thru both fields…looking like garbage. The Sony’s are decent cameras, when used as interlaced 30i. There are far better 24P cameras out there…the DVX-100a being the best.
Heck, I have the Canon GL1 and I know that the frame mode, while it looks cool, lessens the image quality a bit. So I don’t use it.
And yes, cut down on the question marks. One, maybe two, is quite enough.
Shane Ross
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Walter Biscardi
February 7, 2006 at 12:27 pm[thewanggao] “I mean, I’m watching the interlaced footage on the comp and it’s at full quality (although I know that it is not playing back interlaced)”
Which is completely terrible and your footagte should NEVER be viewed through a Computer monitor only, especially interlaced footage. If you’re working with Final Cut Pro, you must have an external monitor connected.
Walter Biscardi, Jr.
https://www.biscardicreative.comDirector, “The Rough Cut”
https://www.theroughcutmovie.comNow Posting “Good Eats” in HD for the Food Network
“I reject your reality and substitute my own!” – Adam Savage, Mythbusters
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Walter Biscardi
February 7, 2006 at 12:32 pm[David Roth Weiss] “All the caps and the thirty or so question marks are very childish. If you’re going to continue that then please get yourself over to the Creative Calf and stay there.”
Based on all the questions I’m seeing from Alexander, I would agree that since you’re in high school and clearly starting out in Final Cut Pro, the Calf would be a better site for you to use for the time being. The Calf has been set up to help with introductory users of the application.
Walter Biscardi, Jr.
https://www.biscardicreative.comDirector, “The Rough Cut”
https://www.theroughcutmovie.comNow Posting “Good Eats” in HD for the Food Network
“I reject your reality and substitute my own!” – Adam Savage, Mythbusters
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Tom Matthies
February 7, 2006 at 2:35 pmAnd one last comment…
The DCR TRV900 is a fairly old camera as far as technology is concerned. There have been many,many improvments since that model was introduced 5 or so years aro. I still own an TRV-900, but almost never use it for any serious shooting. It’s been demoted to “Vacation Cam”. It was fairly good in it’s day. It was one of the first affordable “comsumer” cameras with three CCD’s and a host of other functions, but it isn’t excatly the pinnicle of video state-of-the-art anymore. It’s still capable of producing a decent picture, but as stated above, lighting is everything. You can’t expect to get a relly good picture out of any camera without putting in some work up front on lighting, stageing and camera support. Also, take it out of the automatic mode and learn to do things manually. The camera’s computer is rerely as smart as your own brain. This is just basic stuff. Learn it now, and your future career will be much more rewarding in many ways.
So, give the “900” some good production values, and it will give you a good picture in return. Most importantly, have some fun with it now. You will have lots of time to stress professionally later!
Tom
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