Adobe calls it – they’re bulldozing CC unaltered to the 2015 subscriber goal.

[Darren Roark]

I completely agree with you on this.

I recently had to go back to an eight year old project (FCP 5) and had to install on a snow leo partition because 7 had problems updating the project. Had I not saved my old install disks and serial numbers I would have been SOL as there was no other way to create an XML so 7 could open it.

I can’t imagine why people aren’t going bananas over this. The prospect of being unable to open older work does my head in.

[Herb Sevush]

[Aindreas Gallagher] “classy bunch of people adobe.”

Do you mean you can’t find the class in one organization posting the following two statements.

“With regards to file access, Adobe completely agrees that customers should have access to their files if they choose to stop their Creative Cloud membership. Our job is to delight our customers with innovation, but there are a number of options open to us here and we expect to have news around this issue shortly.”

and then this

“The main reason there hasn’t been an update is because we don’t have an update. We are continuing to explore solutions around this (as we know the current solutions don’t meet the needs of everyone), but we don’t expect to make any changes / announcements around this in the near future.”

What we need to do here is parse the difference between the phrase “shortly” vs. “the near future.” Surely the near future is further into the future than shortly is, isn’t it?

I think it’s merely a perfect illustration of the old dictum that “a foolish consistency is the hobgoblin of little minds.” In this case the fools being Adobe’s customers and, well, we all know who the hobgoblins are.

Herb Sevush
Zebra Productions
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nothin’ attached to nothin’
“Deciding the spine is the process of editing” F. Bieberkopf

[Andrew Kimery]

[Aindreas Gallagher] “food for thought, if you work across AE, premiere and PS.
that’s a lot of stuff caught up in a technically temperamental subscription that just got industrially hacked, a hack that they didn’t speak about for weeks after the fact.”

Considering all the server side code they go their hands on plus access to ubiquitous things like Acrobat and Flash I really don’t anyone drooling over messing with someone’s Photoshop. 😉 Lot more lucrative fish in the Internet’s sea.

[Darren Roark] “I recently had to go back to an eight year old project (FCP 5) and had to install on a snow leo partition because 7 had problems updating the project. Had I not saved my old install disks and serial numbers I would have been SOL as there was no other way to create an XML so 7 could open it. “

If 8 years from now you needed to open a PPro 6 project in PPro 6 you should just download it from Adobe for $20 (if you weren’t already a CC member). Not really a horrible of a trade off compared to saving every installer/disc and every serial number forever, IMO.

[Darren Roark] “I can’t imagine why people aren’t going bananas over this. The prospect of being unable to open older work does my head in.”

Not everyone is in the same boat. I’m a hired gun and with the projects I typically work on once I’m done, I’m done.

[Aindreas Gallagher]

nice herb.

it’s just the feeling that they sat and waited to see if they could realistically roll the entire remaining base over.
for a crowd that bleat about listening to their customers like its the only words they ever learnt,
they are about as open an ear on this issue as a loan shark in a bad mood.

also:
Our job is to delight our customers with innovation, but there are a number of options open to us here and we expect to have news around this issue shortly.”

sometimes I could barf listening to adobe.

https://vimeo.com/user1590967/videos http://www.ogallchoir.net promo producer/editor.grading/motion graphics

[Aindreas Gallagher]

[Andrew Kimery] “Not everyone is in the same boat. I’m a hired gun and with the projects I typically work on once I’m done, I’m done.”

me too – but realistically – this is a much bigger issue: every time you boot up the software, you’re on their dime.
i wouldn’t mind but it looks like they’re incompetent managing the service too. and the backend support is two windup woodpeckers tapping the keyboard.

It’s not a great situation.

https://vimeo.com/user1590967/videos http://www.ogallchoir.net promo producer/editor.grading/motion graphics

[Timothy Auld]

I bit on early bird pricing his past April. I will not be renewing.

Tim

[Darren Roark]

[Andrew Kimery] “If 8 years from now you needed to open a PPro 6 project in PPro 6 you should just download it from Adobe for $20 (if you weren’t already a CC member). Not really a horrible of a trade off compared to saving every installer/disc and every serial number forever, IMO.”

It was a music video I directed that I needed an HD copy of as it was posted in SD but shot in HD. This may sound like anal retentive overkill, but I archived that project with spanned DVDs in Toast with a DMG of FCS and a text doc with the serial. I got in the habit of that after I was burned in a different situation.

Although Adobe does have most older CS versions available to download if needed, there is no plan at the moment to ensure future compatibility with CC for old projects. It is nice to hand off the work and go home, but my reel of personal work has greatly benefited from being able to spruce them up by opening the original projects and making new masters.

If there was a guarantee from Adobe that any version of a CC will work as long as my subscription is current (and I’m on a compatible OS, computer, etc) I would feel better about it. As of now they don’t. I’d even be willing to toss them an extra $20 for that.

[Steve Connor]

The problem is that if you are a Freelancer whose clients start to use CC, then you will have to subscribe to stay current on the software.

Steve Connor

There’s nothing we can’t argue about on the FCPX COW Forum

[Aindreas Gallagher]

how much CC penetration are you seeing? I’m not seeing that much. at this rate we’ll be on CS6 and FCP7 in 2018.

adobe feel to a lot of people like uncommunicative bad faith partners, run by investment shareholders, trying to strong arm their base against their will.

[Steve Connor] “The problem is that if you are a Freelancer whose clients start to use CC, then you will have to subscribe to stay current on the software.
“

the bottom line is that nobody likes adobe for this, and more basically, nobody trusts adobe on this. and with good reason – technically, they look like morons running it, the support is running them five quid a year, and millions of people just had to scratch their credit card because adobe don’t know their ass from their elbow when it comes to pulling monthly rent for twenty year old software.

say we all like photoshop and we all like john knoll,
but there is some weird crowd running that shop, making a killing daily on their share sell offs, and, overall, as a bed to get in, it looks like a freaky bed to me.

https://vimeo.com/user1590967/videos http://www.ogallchoir.net promo producer/editor.grading/motion graphics

[Andrew Kimery]

[Darren Roark] “If there was a guarantee from Adobe that any version of a CC will work as long as my subscription is current (and I’m on a compatible OS, computer, etc) I would feel better about it. As of now they don’t. I’d even be willing to toss them an extra $20 for that.
“

Adobe has said that at least 5 previous versions of all software will be available to via CC starting with the CS 6 apps. Of course that only goes as far as you are willing to trust Adobe.

[TImothy Auld] “I bit on early bird pricing his past April. I will not be renewing.”

I was in a similar boat this past August. Then a really good gig came up in Oct. that required CC so I turned my subscription back on.