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Adobe Announces updates to CC Video applications
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[Marcus Moore] “With Apple and Blackmagic’s current good relations, I don’t see any reason not to think we’ll see CinemaDNG support. That would be- weird.”
I would think so too. I’d imagine that’s what Grant Petty was implying. I was taken aback by the response I got from BMD reps and Apple’s Steve Bayes. Bayes seemed very insistent that it was not worth their while… almost defensive. I really do hope to see otherwise. I’d much prefer cDNG wrapped to .mov than a transcode to PR4444 and it sounded like Apple was going to leave that transcode to external powers. Of course I can hope he was just throwing me “off the scent.”
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Quite impressive update. Need to look into the details more before saying yi-ha, but it really seems like Adobe is pushing hard for an awesome CC-experience.
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Part of me still wishes Apple wouldn’t completely ignore these big post news cycles. This will be the second big release from Adobe [NAB, IBC] this year, while Apple has sat quietly on the sidelines. Apple long ago divested itself from being slave to anyone else’s release cycle (other than getting new products out for the holidays), and it certainly makes sense to a degree.
Just anxious to see what they’ve been doing for the past year.
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Regarding BIll negative take on this I don’t personally care about Adobe anywhere and the “October 2013 CC release” is amazing for a lot of high-end AE and PrPro users disregarding this feature.
– Edit > Grade > Edit round tripping as it should be (at least it sounds like it)
– Some massive improvements to AE including performance enhancement and impressive new features like mask tracking (about time!) and properties linking
– AME seems better, hope they’ve revamped how it structures settings completely.We’ll see how it turns out. I’m heading to IBC on thursday so I’ll be able to get some hands-on + questions answered on the spot hopefully.
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[Craig Seeman] ” I asked a couple of BMD reps (don’t think it was Dan May though) and they seemed dismissive about they’re doing it. I did speak to Apple’s Steve Bayes (FCPX Product Manager) about this and he said, transcode to ProRes4444.”
Proper CinemaDNG support requires access to camera raw controls. To do this according to current FCP X structure, Adobe or BMD would need to build an importer that matched Apple’s camera SDK, just like RED, Sony, Canon and ARRI. I wouldn’t expect that to happen.
If you shoot with the BMD camera and record with BMD Film (their flat gamma profile, like Log-C) using ProResHQ or 4444 – and the temp/tint/exposure is reasonably correct – then, yes, shooting raw gives you very little benefit.
– Oliver
Oliver Peters Post Production Services, LLC
Orlando, FL
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[Daniel Frome] “Instead of talking about how great this update is… I will further say that it still won’t make me rent the software without an exit strategy to keep it.”
well said…
Mitch Ives
Insight Productions Corp.“Criticism may not be agreeable, but it is necessary. It fulfills the same function as pain in the human body. It calls attention to an unhealthy state of things.” – Winston Churchill
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[Oliver Peters] “To do this according to current FCP X structure, Adobe or BMD would need to build an importer that matched Apple’s camera SDK, just like RED, Sony, Canon and ARRI. I wouldn’t expect that to happen.”
Depending on what Adobe seems to have done with cDNG support they seem to have done that for their own product (which makes sense).
[Oliver Peters] “If you shoot with the BMD camera and record with BMD Film (their flat gamma profile, like Log-C) using ProResHQ or 4444 – and the temp/tint/exposure is reasonably correct – then, yes, shooting raw gives you very little benefit.”
Sometimes “correct” isn’t the goal. It’s why, in some circumstances, one would chose to shoot cDNG over ProRes. It’s why one might want a cDNG in FCPX to Resolve workflow without proxies, without relinking. It’s an ease of use issue. Not unworkable, but for an NLE which is described as “fast” and maybe “simple” it would be more awkward than PPro to SpeedGrade (remains to be seen but I can’t help but think this is where Adobe is going).
It’s ironic that I’ve argued with people that shooting ProRes would be more than enough in all but exceptional circumstances but I’ve been beaten back by enough people who keep pointing out the importance of those extra bits in some cases that I’m now persuaded by their arguments. I’ve heard from those using BMCC that it can make a difference. Apparently Grant Petty thought it was important enough to mention the possibility.
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I agree – can’t wait for this feature – I’d use it today on several projects I just cut in Premiere CC. If this is the kind of progress we can expect from Adobe than the subscription model may prove to be better for end users versus waiting every NAB to see if they finally ad the features you want and deciding if it’s worth it to upgrade.
Lance Bachelder
Writer, Editor, Director
Downtown Long Beach, California
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NAB 2013 – Marco Solorio interviews Grant Petty of Blackmagic Design
https://vimeo.com/63892665
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Not sure if all CC apps get it but at least Premier Pro CC in OSX 10.8 or later has a proper 64-bit ProRes-engine now. No more complaining about 32-bit QuickTime being the fault of issues! 🙂
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