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A special Thank You to Chris Kenny
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[John Godwin] “Discussion is good….particularly productive in my view.”
Let me refer you to this thread:
https://forums.creativecow.net/thread/335/6087#6355
Where David points out how the cherry picking of facts is done by your side to make your argument.
That is what you are doing here, despite how many time you call yourself a pragmatist.
I suppose next your going to start telling me how David is now unhinged, or something like that to try and defend your side.
And you completely misconstrued what I said in the post about questioning their motives. I’m just not sure if you’re doing it deliberately, or not.
In that thread I didn’t say they had to justify their motivations to me. I said they need to look in the mirror, and justify their motivations to themselves. I would suggest you do the same.
There was some talk of that earlier when some of us wanted to know if some of the posters had a financial ‘dog in the fight’, in accordance with the FTC mommy blogger rules:https://forums.creativecow.net/thread/335/5570#5651
Ron made it pretty clear that there is a huge concern over peoples motivations (https://forums.creativecow.net/readpost/335/6325) and that this is a topic that is fair game for discussion.Scott Sheriff
Director
https://www.sstdigitalmedia.com“If you think it’s expensive to hire a professional to do the job, wait until you hire an amateur.” —Red Adair
Where were you on 6/21?
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You’re really just a troll now. You’ve run out of things to say about FCP X so you come here just to piss on other people’s posts and start a flame war. Take your posts, substitute FCP X for Premier Pro and and start posting them into that forum. I like to see their responses. I doubt it would be tolerated. You’re comfortable posting here because it’s been a dumping ground for your kind of incendiary rhetoric since it’s inception. If you haven’t noticed, more and more people are coming here to post technical questions, exchange information and discuss in substantive ways editing with FCP X. You know, the type of threads you regularly see in other forums.
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[TS O'Grady] “You’re really just a troll now. You’ve run out of things to say about FCP X so you come here just to piss on other people’s posts and start a flame war. Take your posts, substitute FCP X for Premier Pro and and start posting them into that forum. I like to see their responses. I doubt it would be tolerated. You’re comfortable posting here because it’s been a dumping ground for your kind of incendiary rhetoric since it’s inception. If you haven’t noticed, more and more people are coming here to post technical questions, exchange information and discuss in substantive ways editing with FCP X. You know, the type of threads you regularly see in other forums.”
Since you like to point the gun towards others, lets look at you for a second.
How many technical questions have you posted about FCP X? Or how many have you been able to answer? Wait a minute… none! So you have only been giving opinions? And then you talk about stuff like troll and fud!
Sohrab
2.66 GHz 8-core, ATI Radeon HD 4870,
FCS 3, AJA Kona Lhi“The creative person wants to be a know-it-all. He wants to know about all kinds of things: ancient history, nineteenth-century mathematics, current manufacturing techniques, flower arranging, and hog futures. Because he never knows when these ideas might come together to form a new idea. It may happen six minutes later or six months, or six years down the road. But he has faith that it will happen.” — Carl Ally
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I went and reviewed those links (I had read them already, when they were posted) and have seen the light.
Okay, you win. You’re right and everyone else is wrong. FCP X sux and will never amount to anything, and Apple clearly erred in producing a new version of FCP that was not exactly what you wanted. Everyone who argues against you twists facts, lies repeatedly, is ignorant, and possibly immoral.
You know, at some point I just give up and listen to Robert A. Heinlein:
“Never try to teach a pig to sing. It wastes your time and annoys the pig.”
Best,
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Fair enough. I’ve taken my shots and I’ll take a hit for that. But head on over to the Premiere or Avid forums and see how many posts you can find along the lines of ” Premiere/Avid sucks and anyone who defends it is an Adobe/Avid apologist!” What do you think the reaction would be over there to such a post?
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that’s a pretty stupid comparison – the people on those forums haven’t just had their editing platform explode in their faces.
http://www.ogallchoir.net
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[John Godwin] “I went and reviewed those links (I had read them already, when they were posted) and have seen the light.
Okay, you win. You’re right and everyone else is wrong. FCP X sux and will never amount to anything, and Apple clearly erred in producing a new version of FCP that was not exactly what you wanted. Everyone who argues against you twists facts, lies repeatedly, is ignorant, and possibly immoral.
You know, at some point I just give up and listen to Robert A. Heinlein:
“Never try to teach a pig to sing. It wastes your time and annoys the pig.””
John,
It’s all good. Glad to see you found your Muse, because that was a well thought out and particularly effective retort. And if I might add, quite snappy and dry also.Scott Sheriff
Director
https://www.sstdigitalmedia.com“If you think it’s expensive to hire a professional to do the job, wait until you hire an amateur.” —Red Adair
Where were you on 6/21?
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Glad you approve. Since dinner and wine (without the “h”) is being served, I retire. I learned a while (with the “h”) ago that online posting and alcohol (with the “h”) do not mix.
Best,
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what was with the pig reference there? give it a rest. You sound angrier than anyone, for reasons I don’t really understand. And please for god’s sake stop saying whine – or make long bad laboured attempts to make a wine “whine” gag – because that one died on its feet really badly.
At least we’re angry with apple – there’s some sense to that
https://www.tuaw.com/2011/07/02/first-person-final-cut-pro-x-day-one-completely-at-sea/
This guy started out trying to write a review of FCPX, he ended up saying, well he said this:
There’s definitely going to be a revolution in post-production, dudes.
It’s the one where the masses pull Apple off the throne and cut its throat.
Thats right – a few days with FCPX and he literally fantasised about killing the entity apple.
There is actually a problem here, we’re none of us as angry as we were, but there is a serious problem with what apple have done, and how they have gone about it.http://www.ogallchoir.net
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[TS O'Grady] “Fair enough. I’ve taken my shots and I’ll take a hit for that. But head on over to the Premiere or Avid forums and see how many posts you can find along the lines of ” Premiere/Avid sucks and anyone who defends it is an Adobe/Avid apologist!” What do you think the reaction would be over there to such a post?”
Thats an interesting argument you make. Over the years I have seen posts where people have bashed Avid because they didn’t like the dongle, paying for support, crashing a bunch, you name it. But show me a post where someone has such a complaint, and a small clique’ of Avid-philes defend Avid carte blanche. You will see people that have solutions, similar complaints, or even those saying they have never had a lick of trouble. But I don’t think you’ll find too many that say, ‘hey, thats how Avid is, too bad, so sad, why don’t you just go buy something else you whiner’.
Scott Sheriff
Director
https://www.sstdigitalmedia.com“If you think it’s expensive to hire a professional to do the job, wait until you hire an amateur.” —Red Adair
Where were you on 6/21?
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