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A special Thank You to Chris Kenny
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[John Godwin] “I’m sorry, I thought this was the FCP X forum, not the FCP X JILTED LOVERS forum. It’s funny how you can count on a negative reply when anyone posts anything positive.”
Actually if you read the hover text in the forums list, this forum is for support and discussion. The other forum says tips and techniques, just like the forums actual name. It was created at the specific request of people like yourself so they could go and talk about X, without having to wade through all the discussion type posts. But it’s all good, post what you want, get on the soap box. Not trying to censor your speech, just pointing out there is a forum for X users with a more positive trend.
As far as jilted lovers, I think apples behavior is more akin to an unfaithful mistress who can’t be trusted.
On counting on negative posts, all I can say is “what goes around, comes around”. The Pollyanna’s have done more than their fair share of jumping in on people who dare to complain about X or apple’s un-businesslike behavior.
The big mystery there is why does it matter to them? I speculated on their motives here:https://forums.creativecow.net/readpost/335/6427 on June 26th. Despite the time and effort it takes to put up the amount of posts the apologists have put up trying to defend apple, as of today they haven’t put up one to defend themselves, or answer that question of their motivation. *sound of crickets*
And most of what the apple apologist post is often fact-less, laced with inflammatory rhetoric, hypocritical, or at least full of oxymorons, usually to the tune of “I agree that they probably shouldn’t have yanked FCS3 without notice, but isn’t apple the best billion dollar corporation ever and if you can’t see that then you’re a bloody Luddite!”. I’m paraphrasing a bit there for the sake of brevity, but we’ve all read it and know what I’m referring to.Scott Sheriff
Director
https://www.sstdigitalmedia.com“If you think it’s expensive to hire a professional to do the job, wait until you hire an amateur.” —Red Adair
Where were you on 6/21?
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[Steve Connor] “Nice Scott, I thought this thread was missing some vitriol”
You think that is vitriol? Vitriol is defined as cruel and harsh criticism.
Saying people are doing high-fives over a dud, is sarcasm.
When did we get so overly-sensitive that a little sarcasm is now redefined as vitriol?
I was going to tell everyone to ‘man up’ a little, but if I did that I’m afraid you say I’m the kind of person drowning kittens in the bathtub or something.Shine on you crazy diamond…
Scott Sheriff
Director
https://www.sstdigitalmedia.com“If you think it’s expensive to hire a professional to do the job, wait until you hire an amateur.” —Red Adair
Where were you on 6/21?
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Scott, your postings are not just a discussion about the software you also use language that is also directed at people with differing opinions to yourself, language such as “Apple apologists” and “Polyannas”
Even Aindreas managed a positive comment on this thread, but the tone of your original post wasn’t informative it was deliberately provocative.
However I am going to take your advice and move to the other forum to to join “the mutual admiration society” for some “high fives and chest bumps”
Steve Connor
Adrenalin TelevisionHave you tried “Search Posts”? Enlightenment may be there.
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Damn skippy. I’ve got a lot of respect for all the people who are actively squeezing lemonade out of this lemon. From some (Chris Kenny, David Battistella) it’s delicious, from others it’s about as refreshing as a cool glass of turnip juice.
Even if this comes back to bite him in a year, at least he can say he didn’t go down without a fight.
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[Steve Connor] “Scott, your postings are not just a discussion about the software you also use language that is also directed at people with differing opinions to yourself, language such as “Apple apologists” and “Polyannas””
Whats your point?
That I think that having faith in apple at this point, and saying X is a great piece of software is being Pollyanna?
If it’s not that, then what is it?Also lets not forget that Chris has turned into a ‘word-burning stove’ in his effort to justify how apple handled the way FCS3 was pulled without notice.
Are you saying that doesn’t make you an apple apologist?
If it walks like a duck, and talks like a duck…Scott Sheriff
Director
https://www.sstdigitalmedia.com“If you think it’s expensive to hire a professional to do the job, wait until you hire an amateur.” —Red Adair
Where were you on 6/21?
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“Actually if you read the hover text in the forums list, this forum is for support and discussion. The other forum says tips and techniques, just like the forums actual name. It was created at the specific request of people like yourself so they could go and talk about X, without having to wade through all the discussion type posts. But it’s all good, post what you want, get on the soap box. Not trying to censor your speech, just pointing out there is a forum for X users with a more positive trend.”
Discussion is good. Rehashing the same negative points over and over and over isn’t much contribution to a discussion. Maybe the solution is to create a FCP X SUX forum, since this one is ever so gradually trending toward less bitterness and more dealing with the new reality.
“As far as jilted lovers, I think apples behavior is more akin to an unfaithful mistress who can’t be trusted.”
Mistresses, too, can jilt their lovers.
“On counting on negative posts, all I can say is “what goes around, comes around”. The Pollyanna’s have done more than their fair share of jumping in on people who dare to complain about X or apple’s un-businesslike behavior.”
In my reading of this forum I saw a lot of angst and handwringing and a few people pointing out that the world hasn’t ended. I’ve had a couple of edit systems EOLed and I wasn’t happy about it, but I picked out which way to go next and moved on. Evidently a number of people of done that. They made their complaints known, decided which way to go, and are more or less gone. I think deciding what you need and what works for you is a practical and pragmatic way to deal with changed circumstances.
“The big mystery there is why does it matter to them? I speculated on their motives here:https://forums.creativecow.net/readpost/335/6427 on June 26th.”
I read that. I can’t speak to their motives, mine are simply that this change does matter to me. I’ve been a shooter/editor all my longer-than-I-would-have-expected life. I came to the Mac side only in the last roughly 3 years, so I’m hardly a fanboy or apologist. I simply think Apple made some business and technical decisions and is highly unlikely to throw them out, so I want to constructively learn the new product and see if the promised improvements materialize. Actually, I’ll probably pick up CS 5.5 while it’s on sale and have my options covered.
“Despite the time and effort it takes to put up the amount of posts the apologists have put up trying to defend apple, as of today they haven’t put up one to defend themselves, or answer that question of their motivation. *sound of crickets*”
And why exactly should they have to state their motives to you? I would expect most people on here to take EVERYTHING that isn’t a simple statement of fact with a grain of salt, because I have respect for other people’s intelligence.
“And most of what the apple apologist post is often fact-less, laced with inflammatory rhetoric, hypocritical, or at least full of oxymorons, usually to the tune of “I agree that they probably shouldn’t have yanked FCS3 without notice, but isn’t apple the best billion dollar corporation ever and if you can’t see that then you’re a bloody Luddite!”. I’m paraphrasing a bit there for the sake of brevity, but we’ve all read it and know what I’m referring to.”
Well, the irony of your last statement speaks for itself. First of all, the word “apologist” is loaded. Some of us are just pragmatic. And what is remotely hypocritical about thinking Apple made a mistake by yanking FCS3 while recognizing things have changed? Those aren’t mutually contradictory concepts.
I hope to contribute to this forum and others in a useful and productive way. Rehashing the same points isn’t particularly productive in my view.
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(Sound of high fives and chest bumps in the distance) 🙂
Steve Connor
Adrenalin TelevisionHave you tried “Search Posts”? Enlightenment may be there.
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Big ups for admitting that. You seem to have started reaching the acceptance phase Andreas. You’ve been right at many times too, but I just felt Chris has taken the heat so often yet still comes back for more. I couldn’t take much more after day 2 so I became a reader only for a while. Till I saw Al Gore anyways.
John Davidson | President / Creative Director | Magic Feather Inc.
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Business must be slow for you Sheriff because you sure spend a lot of time posting on a program you hate. You may need some counseling. All these “fanboys” and “apologists” sure got you panties in a bind.
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[Craig Shields] “Business must be slow for you Sheriff because you sure spend a lot of time posting on a program you hate. You may need some counseling. All these “fanboys” and “apologists” sure got you panties in a bind.”
That is truly the sign of desperation, and of someone that is loosing the debate. If I hadn’t already mentioned drowning kittens in the tub, I’m sure you would have gone there.
I guess Steve Connor doesn’t consider that vitriol, since it’s coming from your camp. *more cricket sounds*Scott Sheriff
Director
https://www.sstdigitalmedia.com“If you think it’s expensive to hire a professional to do the job, wait until you hire an amateur.” —Red Adair
Where were you on 6/21?
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