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A few clues
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[Shawn Miller] “Some just might, you’re talking about an industry, not a single company.”
Absolutely right. Do you see manufacturers coming out with huge new desktops? Would you say they are producing more portables, or more desktops?
As I said, it’s theoretical. No one knows but it will be obvious when we get there.
[Shawn Miller] “Obviously, some if not most PC intergrators will continue to cater to consumers. But not all of them. “
Again, absolutely right. As far as I can tell, I can still buy a MacPro, can’t I?
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” Surround is left to the audio professionals who can ACTUALLY do a proper surround mix”
That assumes everybody has the money to take it to them and pay for that.
I think that independent film makers on a small budget will use this if they can’t get the cash.
That’s an opinion, we will see if I’m right.“”3. Motion. Why add it? It just intimidates newbees.”
“They didn’t add it. It is a separate app”
I guess I didn’t spell this out.
Add it……in the sense of the the drawing board.
Like…….don’t make it………..like…….don’t offer it….at all. This new version of Motion…..don’t bother to MAKE it. Get me?If you are marketing to skateboarders they won’t use it anyway right?
“So Apple made an app that was more than iMovie, yet not confusing for them when they move up.”
Move up to what?
To the “pro” level?
I’m just looking at it from what I have seen in the business world in the past.
When companies want to get out of something they get out.I’m from St. Louis, and when AB got taken over the new folk said they were OUT of the theme park
biz.
And they sold all that stuff off.They didn’t keep a few animals or parks.
OUT. PERIOD.
I agree that they want people to move up.
What we are debating is, to what end?
Tony West
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[Bill Davis] “Dual mono rules.”
For EDITING…yes. I use Mono tracks for most everything, except Music and sound effects. But everything else is mono.
But I deliver STEREO…and sometimes a 5.1 mix (when done by a pro mixer). When I mix on my own, which is happening more and more lately, I deliver a stereo mix. Broadcast, and non-broadcast.
Whatever. Delivering dual mono just shows what level of productions you are working on. Ones that give little notice to production value, especially audio. Which is more important than picture, BTW.
Shane
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[Jeremy Garchow] ” If I can have that in the palm of my hand, why do I need a MacPro?”
Great, I see where you are getting at.
If we can hook everything up to this thing, it will behave as a computer.
Fine for me.The main problem is going to be Apple’s claustrophobic inclination.
And how this will play out with its iOS+AppStore+hardware development.That’s what is actually worrying me.
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[Christian Schumacher] “The main problem is going to be Apple’s claustrophobic inclination.
And how this will play out with its iOS+AppStore+hardware development.That’s what is actually worrying me.”
Explain, please.
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[Shane Ross] “Whatever. Delivering dual mono just shows what level of productions you are working on. Ones that give little notice to production value, especially audio”
Err, last I checked, some MXF deliverables are mono as that’s how the files work, your stereo HAS to go dual mono, otherwise you can’t make the file.
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Next iPad rumored to have Thunderbolt, that might be the start of the change
“My Name is Steve and I’m an FCPX user”
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[tony west] “If you are marketing to skateboarders they won’t use it anyway right?”
Wrong. They will. Or they use After Effects. Have you SEEN a skateboarding video recently? They are FULL of effects and things done in Motion or After Effects.
I know a lot of skateboarders.
[tony west] “Move up to what?
To the “pro” level?”
YUP! Almost daily I’d see some post on some forum from some person who says that they have used iMovie before, but want to step up to a more “pro” app…they want to have more tools than iMovie provides. And then they get to FCP and EVERYTHING is different to what they used before. And they are lost. THIS is who Apple is listening to, and catering to now. Which is why FCX is iMovie Pro.
[tony west] “What we are debating is, to what end?”
You said that you see proof that Apple is making a Pro app…and presenting your proof. I can present a bunch of counter points if you like, but those points only serve my Professional market…broadcast TV…and feature film. For those markets, Apple stopped providing a lot of tools we use, saying “those are old and outdated…no one uses them.” when, in fact, we are using them daily. They just aren’t looking at us anymore, they are looking at a lower end market.
Which is fine. I’ve moved on to apps that work for me. Just don’t try to say that they are making a product that will suit my needs. Well, I guess you aren’t. You are saying how it fits YOUR needs. And your pro market is perfectly valid. Apple is going for a pro market, just not the same one it aimed at for many many years.
Shane
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“Do you see manufacturers coming out with huge new desktops? Would you say htey are producing more portables, or more desktops?”
AFAIK, SuperMicro and Boxx are still selling more dual processor (Xeon) workstations than smaller i7/5 desktops or laptops.. although, I understand that Boxx’ new smaller renderPros are popular.
“I can still buy a MacPro, can’t I?”
Sure, I didn’t mean to imply otherwise. I’m just saying that there will most likely always be a market for bigger more powerful computers. It seems like a lot of folks see Apple trending toward the smaller, single CPU connected to many peripheral via Thunderbolt – and a discontinuation of the MacPro. I’m just not convinced that all PC intergrators will go in the same direction.
Shawn
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[Jeremy Garchow] “Err, last I checked, some MXF deliverables are mono as that’s how the files work, your stereo HAS to go dual mono, otherwise you can’t make the file.”
Ah…different deliverable than I do. OK then…different deliverables have different requirements.
But yeah, I send out a STEREO LEFT and STEREO RIGHT as Dual Mono…but it is a stereo mix. Discreet audio channels…but a stereo mix.
Shane
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