720p drop frame sequence need better workflow

[Todd Beabout]

Start a new sequence and go to “Sequence Settings” to make it drop-frame. Then copy/paste your entire non-drop sequence into the new one. Should work fine. I believe that FCP won’t let you change that setting if there is any video in it.

-Todd Beabout
Vazda Studios

[Walter Biscardi]

[Todd Beabout] “Start a new sequence and go to “Sequence Settings” to make it drop-frame. Then copy/paste your entire non-drop sequence into the new one. Should work fine. I believe that FCP won’t let you change that setting if there is any video in it.”

You can’t create a Drop Frame timeline with 720p material. It’s greyed out. Been working with 720p for two years now and I have no idea why Apple won’t allow drop frame editing in 720p. 59.94 and 23.98 are both Non Drop Frame in FCP timelines.

Walter Biscardi, Jr.
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[Walter Biscardi]

[marcus] “This was a bit messy and time consuming to output a frame accurate master. Does anyone have input on a “work around” and a way to convert a non-drop frame edl to drop frame.”

You can’t. FCP 720 timelines are non-drop. Start your bars at 00:59:00:04 and then make sure your show starts at 01:00:00:04 on your timeline. Should all match up to a Drop Frame master. You might have to tweak that 01:00:00:00 start time a bit to get it to work, but that’s what has been working here mastering back to a 1200A.

Walter Biscardi, Jr.
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Director, “The Rough Cut”
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[Shane Ross]

This has been my complaint and worry since day one. And it isn’t just Apple. 720P, 1080P…23.98, 59.94…not a one has drop frame time code. I really want to know why the heck that is because as professional editors, we need exact shot timings. We lock our HD shot to time, and suddenly the Digibeta downconvert is 2-3 seconds long. It makes no sense.

How does starting your code at 59.00.04 and 1.00.00.04 help? How do you properly time your HD shows so that when they air it in Standard Def (as most networks aren’t set up for HD, yet still require an HD master)?

How can HD not have drop frame code? I just cannot fathom that.

Shane

Alokut Productions
http://www.lfhd.net

[Walter Biscardi]

[Shane Ross] “720P, 1080P…23.98, 59.94…not a one has drop frame time code”

The decks and cameras roll Drop Frame because I can see that on the tapes.

[Shane Ross] “How does starting your code at 59.00.04 and 1.00.00.04 help?”

Because we’re editing 720/60 59:00:04 equals 59:00:02 on the Drop Frame master.

Walter Biscardi, Jr.
https://www.biscardicreative.com

Director, “The Rough Cut”
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[Gary Adcock]

[Shane Ross] “How can HD not have drop frame code? I just cannot fathom that.”

From my NAB sessions on HD.

So what is Drop Frame then?
When the National Television Systems Committee added color to the existing monochrome standard in 1953, they had to fudge either the picture frequency or the audio subcarrier frequency by one part in a thousand, to keep the color subcarrier from interfering with the sound subcarrier. Sound won;

Then Why is there no Drop Frame in HD?
with digital transmission, there is not a need to offset the audio and video signals because digital transmission always is sent as discreet encoded signals to the satellite.

gary adcock
Studio37
HD & Film Consultation
Post and Production Workflows
Chicago, IL

[Walter Biscardi]

[gary adcock] “Then Why is there no Drop Frame in HD?
with digital transmission, there is not a need to offset the audio and video signals because digital transmission always is sent as discreet encoded signals to the satellite.”

Explain that to the networks who demand a Drop Frame HD Master.

Walter Biscardi, Jr.
https://www.biscardicreative.com

Director, “The Rough Cut”
https://www.theroughcutmovie.com

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[Gary Adcock]

[walter biscardi] “Explain that to the networks who demand a Drop Frame HD Master. “

I love setting up the spike for you walter.

maybe we can thank sony for that requirement, it had to be included in 1080i60 so that those old beta tapes could be played in those new JH3 decks..

gary adcock
Studio37
HD & Film Consultation
Post and Production Workflows
Chicago, IL

[Walter Biscardi]

[gary adcock] “I love setting up the spike for you walter.

maybe we can thank sony for that requirement, it had to be included in 1080i60 so that those old beta tapes could be played in those new JH3 decks..”

Yep, Sony HDCAM masters. Good Old Sony. Just love Sony, don’t you?

Walter Biscardi, Jr.
https://www.biscardicreative.com

Director, “The Rough Cut”
https://www.theroughcutmovie.com

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[Shane Ross]

Why didn’t I sit at the other table and visit with you? Or spend more time with Gary talking about this? Hmmm…I think because I was getting hit will equipment and workflow overload and just wanting to small talk.

ANYWAY…if HD doesn’t suffer the same pecularity of SD in terms of slowing down thus needing the drop frame code, why does it run at 23.976 and not 24? 59.94 and not 60? Because the footage is STILL running at that slightly slower speed, we still have the need for Drop Frame code.

Also, why is it that when you downconvert, the SD version is longer?

It is interesting to note that the decks do 720p drop frame code. What is Apple’s problem then?

Shane

Alokut Productions
http://www.lfhd.net