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  • 720/59.94P editing in 59.94fps or 29.97fps?

    Posted by Ben Cheng on September 4, 2007 at 10:05 am

    Hi All,

    I like to seek your advice on editing in which frame rate, for source material of 720/59.94P, coming from Panasonic HD P2 cameras.

    FCP is able work with timelines in both 59.94fps or 29.97fps, with the above source material.

    In a 29.97fps timeline, the 720/59.94P material will lose odd-numbered frames.

    The final audio mix will be done by a Pro Tools DAW.
    The editor will export a OMF file & pass it to the audio engineer.

    The final audio mix will be inserted onto the master HD-D5 tape, as it will be encoded as Dolby E, at the audio facility.

    In Pro Tools, there is no support for 59.94fps timecode.
    Therefore, I’m not sure FCP should edit in which frame rate, for proper syncing & matchframe.

    If anyone has any experience working with similar workflow, hope you can kindly share with us here.
    Thanks again!

    Cheers,
    Ben Cheng

    Ben Cheng replied 18 years, 9 months ago 2 Members · 2 Replies
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  • Walter Biscardi

    September 4, 2007 at 12:05 pm

    720/59.94 is NON-Drop Frame in FCP. No clue why, but FCP has never supported drop frame in 720p. I’ve been complaining about this over two years now and there is still no resolution from Apple.

    So 29.97 DF does not equal 59.94 NDF.

    In our case, broadcast networks require Drop Frame timecode so we cross-convert all of our 720p material to 1080i / 29.97 during Ingest via our Kona 3. We do not perform any drop frame editing in 720p as FCP does not support it.

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  • Ben Cheng

    September 10, 2007 at 6:05 pm

    Hi,

    Thanks for all your advice here!
    We did a few tests & this is a bit more tricky than we thought,

    1. 720/59.94P is definitely Non-Drop Frame (NDF) in FCP 6

    2. US broadcast requirements is Drop Frame (DF)

    We did some tests & here’s what we found,

    1. Copy & Paste 720/59.94P NDF media into a 720/29.97P DF timeline = visual/audio out of sync

    2. Copy & Paste 720/59.94P NDF media into a 720/29.97P NDF timeline = in sync

    3. Edit to Tape 720/59.94P NDF media/timeline into HD-D5 VTR at 720/59.94P DF = timecode/visual out of sync

    May I know how should we handle this situation correctly, without converting to 1080/29.97P?
    As the broadcasting stations are asking for 720/59.94P DF.

    Cheers,
    Ben Cheng
    The Media Village
    Singapore

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