60fps in a 59.94 project – And its not looking like its slow – motion

[John Pale]

Why would it look slo motion. 60fps and 59.94 fps are essentially the same speed.

[Colleen Fitzgerald]

Right, that’s what I figured because the numbers are, essentially the same, like you said.

However, the people I’m working for, who were on the shoot, were under the impression that if they shot 60fps, when we got the footage in, the footage would look slo-mo.

Would this be the case if they shot 60fps and we were working in a 30i SD project?

Also, in 59.94, how would they have had to of shoot this in order to get the slow motion look they were looking for?

Thanks again!

[Shane Ross]

[Colleen Fitzgerald] “Would this be the case if they shot 60fps and we were working in a 30i SD project?”

Yes, or a 24fps project. One with a frame rate lower than what you shot.

[Colleen Fitzgerald] “Also, in 59.94, how would they have had to of shoot this in order to get the slow motion look they were looking for?”

A higher number. 120fps, 200fps. And not many cameras shoot that frame rate. Pretty specialized.

Shane

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[Colleen Fitzgerald]

okay and just so you know, this is for video. Not film.

Do the same rules apply?

Thanks

[Shane Ross]

[Colleen Fitzgerald] “Do the same rules apply?”

Yes, same rules apply. Video is also frame based. And there are video cameras that shoot 120 and 200 fps (RED, ALEXA)…and more (PHANTOM)

Shane

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[Glenn Sakatch]

I’m guessing they shot varicam, and were thinking you were going to run it through a frame rate convertor for the slo mo effect?

Glenn

[Colleen Fitzgerald]

yea, apparently so.

I guess I’m just going to have to slow it down in post. I just think making the footage look the way its suppose to before post is better/smoother than effecting the footage in AVID due to the stutter that sometimes happens when using TimeWarp.

[John Pale]

Fluid Frame does amazing things (though sometimes can introduce weird artifacts).

[Chris Conlee]

Colleen, how far into your project are you? Is it possible to cut in a 23.976 project, given that the bulk of the material was shot at that framerate? If you cut at 23.976 the stuff that I presume was shot at that rate, then have the 60fps footage transfered frame for frame without conversion, you’ll get your slomo. By cutting in a 59.94 project, your 23.976 material is being converted to play at 59.94 and your 60fps footage is already playing at speed.

Once you’ve completed your edit, then output to tape at 59.94 for mastering.

Chris

[Colleen Fitzgerald]

I am still very much in the beginning stages. The producer on set insists that the video was shot in slo-motion, but now that I’m looking at the video, I’m not so sure. And I havn’t talked to the actual people who shot the video.

If I watch the qt’s straight from the drive, they look normal speed. If they were shot in slo-mo, shouldn’t the QT’s appear slo-mo?

There is also sound attached to these files and I was under the impression that when shooting in slo-mo, audio isn’t recorded.

But in my avid, I started a 24p project. Imported the suppose’ed slo-mo clips into the project and they are playing in normal speed.

I have a feeling the producer on set may have taken “we’re shooting at a slower frame rate” to mean, we are shooting in slo-motion. Do you think this could be a possibilty? Or do you think I’m doing something wrong when bringing the 60fps footage into my 24p project using avid? Should I try FCP?

Thanks!