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24pa needs to stay 60i
Hello all I need some help. I’m using fcp 7.0, and tapes that were shot in 24pa on the Sony hvr-v1u.
So the tapes are recorded at hdv1080i60/24pa and I have been doing the proper workflow and removing the pulldown to get it to 24. No problems there, but now they want a 29.97 version. When I export my 24p timeline as 29.97 It still has the motion limitations of the 24. 24p does have a classic film look but it is not what the client wants anymore. Everything moving forward will be shot at 30p so that will work nicely I think. But I have a few shows edited at 24p using hdv 1080i60/24pa with pulldown removed.Can I re-edit this footage successfully in a 1080i60 and just skip the pulldown. Quality is a prime directive here, I can’t just make it “work”. I need the best solution. How do I skip using the pulldown on 24pa tapes and just stay 1080i without losing any kind of quality?
Thank you in advance for any help and advice.
Dave
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Hi Dave thanks for the response.
I have tried your suggestion already with my Kona lhe card and it didn\’t work for the client. Sure the tape is 29.97 and looks good enough, but there is a problem. The client wants to stop using the 24pa because of the limitations of fast motion stuff. They are saying the 24p timeline put on to the tape at 60i still shows the limitations of 24p they are trying to avoid, even though it isn\’t 24p anymore. They are seeing some strobing or judder/jitter on fast stuff. Is this possible or impossible?
From what I\’ve learned I think it is possible. I\’m interested to know your opinion on that, and others opinions also. If it is, I wouldn\’t need to re-edit, more of a massive reconect in a new timeline. I captured the hdv1080i60/24pa footage as hdv 1080i60 and used compressor to transcode to apple pro res 24p.
If it becomes an issue, can the hdv1080i60/24pa footage work in an hdv1080i60 timeline and ignore the 24pa part without problems? Or does the 24pa part somehow make it not a good idea to use as hdv60i anymore?
Thanks very much,
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Yes I did remove the pulldown before editing. The footage I edited with is pro res 23.98p. On the cam tape it is hdv1080i60/24pa. My 23.98 timeline looks as it should and there is no problem, except the client simply does not like what 24p is doing for him. Even when I spit out a 29.97 tape master of it they still say they can see what they don\’t like.
When I step through the hdv version of the footage one frame at a time I can see the 24pa cadence. Every 5th frame is a duplicate of the one before it. Makes me want to remove every fifth frame and reoutput but that can\’t be right.
I looked up the twixtor plug you mentioned. It seems much more concerned with going the other direction; converting 60i into 24p, not the other way around. Do you know how good that or mb is at solving my problem. And what exactly do you mean it\’s a lot of work. the plugin doesn\’t just perform the task without some effort put in? I\’ve never had to make this conversion before so I don\’t know what\’s involved.
Thanks,
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Hi Dave,
The picture is 24p and has been shot with the shutter for 24p, so has the motion blur of a p24 film.
If your client do not like this, he shouldn’t have shoot p24.
The “classic film look” is in the picture, and there is nothing to do to take it away.
You can convert it in a p30 or even an i60, but will keep looking p24 because the original Motion Blur.
The only thing it may works is the FieldsKit “Re-interlacer”.
Rafael
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