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2005-fcp 5, 2012-fcpX
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hey – it was you playing the passive aggressive card here, not me.
I say the audio waveforms are unequivocally worse, FCPX moonies jump around banging pots screaming, “you’re some kind of audiophile spewing bile”
the bile bit is quoting austin’s passive agressive bon mot below.
https://vimeo.com/user1590967/videos http://www.ogallchoir.net promo producer/editor.grading/motion graphics
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[Charlie Austin] “Leaving aside whether the waveforms contain enough information for a true audiophile… “
C’mon, man. Don’t go there. I’ve got too much respect for you. Just because you don’t use or see something in a certain way doesn’t mean that other people don’t find value in it. You were an audio editor, right? Didn’t you ever ask yourself why waves are shaped the way they are or what they could mean? Didn’t you develop some sort of understanding of the visual representation that is broken by only showing the outgoing portion of the wave?
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[Aindreas Gallagher] “those.
Waveforms.
Are.
Way.
Worse.
end of.”
You need to open up Aindreas, and tell us what you really think. Don’t be shy
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[Aindreas Gallagher] “good sweet god almighty its not bile. “
I know, but the line occurred to me and I sometimes lack self control. C’mon, it was funny. 🙂
And yes, X “waveforms” lack some detail compared to a full waveform. But really, it is a trade off. As has been mentioned again and again, despite the lack of a “mixer”, the audio editing capabilities built into X are leaps and bounds beyond FCP 7 and most other NLE’s. And I really don’t think we’ve seen anything yet…
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~”It is a poor craftsman who blames his tools.”~
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[Chris Harlan] “… want a mixer over universal plugins”
I’m amused at how beaten down and humble the editors have become. Because it is just beyond software and hardware to have both a mixer and decent audio plugins …
[Chris Harlan] “… to be able to use a controller. I think it was FCP6 that added it …”
I think it was earlier – like 3 or 4 – but that might just be bad memory.
I really don’t understand why people do not want to listen while mixing, and champion stop and go, adjust and check, over listen and react (with more than one track! in real time!) I don’t doubt that adjusting ranges works for people, I suspect because it is visual, but I want to use my ears for sound and react.
No doubt this will be the same crowd championing a touch interface mixing “revolution” at some point …
Franz.
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[Jeremy Garchow] “If you are having DC Offset issues in 7, how do you know when it’s fixed? Guess and render send it to an updatable waveform that will redraw the proper fix?
“I wouldn’t correct it there. I could just see it.
But this all getting out of hand. And people are getting angry at each other over their personal preferences. So I think maybe its time for me to just butt out.
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[Chris Harlan] “[Charlie Austin] “Leaving aside whether the waveforms contain enough information for a true audiophile… ”
C’mon, man. Don’t go there. I’ve got too much respect for you. Just because you don’t use or see something in a certain way doesn’t mean that other people don’t find value in it. You were an audio editor, right? Didn’t you ever ask yourself why waves are shaped the way they are or what they could mean? Didn’t you develop some sort of understanding of the visual representation that is broken by only showing the outgoing portion of the wave?
“Oh, for sure… It wasn’t meant as a dig, and I was kind of including myself in there, though it probably wasn’t clear. I guess my point is that the majority of people who use NLE’s don’t really need to know about that stuff. Most don’t know about that stuff. Maybe they should, but the reality is lots of editors don’t even know how to mix, let alone analyze waveforms. That’s what post facilities are for. 🙂 I just don’t think it’s that big of a deal. A very subjective opinion… 😉
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~”It is a poor craftsman who blames his tools.”~
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[Aindreas Gallagher] “you can show me the gates of zanzibar in the audio snapshot.
those.
Waveforms.
Are.
Way.
Worse.
end of.
“In
Your
Opinion
Steve Connor
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[Aindreas Gallagher] “FCPX moonies jump around banging pots screaming, “
“FCPX Moonies” seriously? are we back to insults then?
Steve Connor
‘It’s just my opinion, with an occasional fact thrown in for good measure” -
[Charlie Austin] “[Chris Harlan] “[Charlie Austin] “Leaving aside whether the waveforms contain enough information for a true audiophile… ”
C’mon, man. Don’t go there. I’ve got too much respect for you. Just because you don’t use or see something in a certain way doesn’t mean that other people don’t find value in it. You were an audio editor, right? Didn’t you ever ask yourself why waves are shaped the way they are or what they could mean? Didn’t you develop some sort of understanding of the visual representation that is broken by only showing the outgoing portion of the wave?
”Oh, for sure… It wasn’t meant as a dig, and I was kind of including myself in there, though it probably wasn’t clear. I guess my point is that the majority of people who use NLE’s don’t really need to know about that stuff. Most don’t know about that stuff. Maybe they should, but the reality is lots of editors don’t even know how to mix, let alone analyze waveforms. That’s what post facilities are for. 🙂 I just don’t think it’s that big of a deal. A very subjective opinion… ;-)”
Okay. Yeah. I agree completely. Sorry for the knee-jerk reaction. As to audio post, I generally prefer what I do to what I get back because I’ve been building it as I go. And while having a second ear is always a good thing, that 2nd ear generally comes out of my pocket, so I do pay careful attention to my mix.
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