2 302s 6 mikes 2 camcorders any gotchas

[Craig Alan]

[Rob Neidig] “I’d probably try the AT4053b first. On acoustic guitar point it at the neck at the 12th fret. Changing the angle slightly toward the sound hole will give you less/more low end, which can sometimes become boomy. This is usually done with a cardioid pattern mic rather than the hypercardioid AT4053b, but the tighter pattern might actually help you isolate the guitar is this instance.”

Thank you. That makes sense. I have several of these mikes and will set up both guitars with two of them.
I will use a third one for the bongos. I’ll need to run 2 xlr cables to my mixer. I was using 3 cordless transmitters. My transmitter plugs do not provide phantom power. I will use the vocal mike for the singer

(unless a third AT would be a better choice?).

I will (for now) put both guitars on one channel and the vocals on the other (for camera one). Judging by the other posts, I will run into problems syncing the second camera’s audio to the first. We will try it anyway and can always not use the audio track but use the second cam for different angles of the performers.

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[Craig Alan]

Thank you Peter. I have not used pro tools but will look into it in the future. Glad I posted. Kinda thought I was over-reaching but figured I’d check with this forum.

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[Craig Alan]

Yes crystal. Had no idea that audio wasn’t perfectly aligned with a single video frame. Gives me motivation to dig into a sound editing program. I have heard that metallic echo sound in recordings and just figured it was the acoustic environment not a sync issue. Thanks again.

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[Craig Alan]

Thanks Brian. This is all being used in an educational setting and I don’t mind it as a learning experience and though I aim for professional practices, it’s ok if I we miss fire. That said, I also will add to the program what I can when I can.

I did a search on-line for the Zoom H6 and it seems pretty impressive for a small recorder. I have a sony but it accepts only one mini-plug. The H6 with an accessory has 6 xlrs inputs on 6 channels. Wow! It’s now on my wish list.

Everything is bought with grant money and opportunities tend to come once a year. This year I’ve concentrated on finishing our studio and moving to P2 camcorders.

I’ve wanted a SD mixer/recorder for a while and when funding becomes available I will look into it and adding a H6 or whatever is the best in its class at the time. We are also just got a Canon 5D and it would be great for those shoots.

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[Craig Alan]

Thanks John,
We are putting together a fly pack with a panasonic video mixer and a Mackie Onyx 1220i audio mixer. The recording device is a AJA KI PRO.
I would like to add a SD recorder when funding becomes avail.
What would your advise for a tri-level sync?

would this do the trick: AJA Video Systems Inc GEN10
HD/SD Sync Generator, Blackburst and Tri-level Sync Generator

I see more expensive units. A one you prefer and pros?

Where would this fit in the chain? Will it work with the set up we have so far?

I’ll do a search for a tutorial on using a try-level sync but if you know of one please refer me.

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[Craig Alan]

Hi Ty,

Gotcha. I will mike the 3 key talents with cam A and use cam B with a couple more but plan on not using them in the edit given Peter’s advice. The limitation left is we’ll need to get a good mix live on the two guitars since they will both go to one channel on our camcorder. The vocals will go to the other channel.

MIKEs available:

SHURE sm58 – we have 3 of them
SHURE sm57- we have only one
AT 4053 – we have 5 of them (we have I think 1 4053B and the rest are 4053A).

We also have other ENG dynamics but doubt they would be an improvement.

We also have Sennheiser G2-G3 kits with plug-in transmitters for dynamic mikes but not the units that supply phantom. I like using them since there is less set up given our need to set up shoot strike all within 1 1/2 hours. I already have frequencies that are ste for each kit that is getting good results and I have the mikes mounted on stands in storage. Our mixer bags are set up with the receivers.

But I’m open to all suggestions. And it’s not that big a deal to set up the xlr cords. I can run the electric to the kino flos from one side and the xlrs away from their path. Striking is longer with more cords to coil. No big deal though if you agree that the 4053s will get better results.

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[Brian Reynolds]

Why tri level sync? The mixer has its own sync, the audio mixer doesn’t require sync and the recorder will record without an external sync…..
P2 cards for the camera? The AVCHD format on SD cards is much more cost effective.

[John Fishback]

The Gen 10 is excellent. We have one in our kit. It’s very flexible and will generate both SD sync & tri-level sync. BTW, the KiPro will down-convert to SD in real time. You could capture it in your NLE.

John

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[Craig Alan]

Thanks John,

I’ll do a search for the Gen 10.

I find more and more uses for the Ki Pro.

When I said SD recorder, I meant sound devices audio recorder for multiple tracks.

Or was this an audio conversion for the Ki Pro you are suggesting?

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[John Fishback]

Sorry. I misunderstood. Thinking of sync I thought SD = standard def. A Sound Deviced recorder makes a lot more sense for audio.

John

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