1920 or 1440

[Walter Biscardi]

[Justin Heaney] “Is HDV actually 1440 by 1080 anamorphic, stretched to give us 1920 by 1080?
If so, how can this be acceptable HD? “

Yes, so is PAL DVCPro HD. NTSC DVCPro HD is 1280×1080. Even HDCAM is anamorphic.

[Justin Heaney] “Does this shortcut also affect Panasonics P2 cameras using the DVCPROHD codecs, and XDcam?? or are they full raster? “

See above.

[Justin Heaney] “Are there any forms of HD available (in the prosumer range) that give us full raster 1920 by 1080, and is it even necessary, or is the quality gain only marginal? “

Prosumer and full raster? Not likely.

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[David Roth weiss]

[Justin Heaney] “Is HDV actually 1440 by 1080 anamorphic, stretched to give us 1920 by 1080?”

Yes.

[Justin Heaney] “If so, how can this be acceptable HD?”

HDV and DVCProHD are superbly engineered and widely used anamorphic formats that have helped to democratize HD production and post by giving us affordable, high quality compressed video formats that can be played back and edited off of affordable hard drive arrays. They are acceptable because they are good enough for a large number of video production and television applications and because they are considerably better than most SD.

[Justin Heaney] “Are there any forms of HD available (in the prosumer range) that give us full raster 1920 by 1080, and is it even necessary, or is the quality gain only marginal?”

Sure, check out the Sony EX1. It’s listed by Sony as a professional camera, but it’s only slightly more expensive than Sony’s prosumer cameras.

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[David Roth weiss]

[Dave LaRonde] “HDV sure isn’t acceptable HD in my book.”

Dave,

At one time I agreed with you. I do an awful lot of HDV production and post now and I have come to think of it as a terrific gift. If handled properly HDV can look like a million bucks.

David

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[Michael Gissing]

A lot of capture codecs use anamorphic. In my opinion, the biggest factor is not raster size but lens resolution. I have seen soggy HDCam and brilliant HDV.

Presuming a codec like HDV has poor resolution is silly. Three of the four docos nominated for best cinematography at this years AFI (Australian Film Institute awards) are HDV or XDCam. I am betting the one shot on HDV (and graded by me) will win because it is pin sharp, well lit & shot (Sony V1U). The next best looking was shot XDCam (35M/bs). Ironically the Panasonic one looks poorest, but again I suspect lens & filters to be the factor.

[David Roth weiss]

[Michael Gissing] “Ironically the Panasonic one looks poorest, but again I suspect lens & filters to be the factor.”

Yep Michael, I too have seen a lot of soft material in DVCProHD format, but I attribute it to the HVX200’s native 720p, often blown up to 1080i.

I always capture HDV as ProRes and have been very pleased with the results.

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[David Roth weiss]

[Dave LaRonde] ” If you can only afford one camera, and you’ve narrowed the choice to HDV or a P2 camera…. well, maybe HDV isn’t the best choice.”

I actually prefer tape and HDV for most things. Some people like the P2 alternative. Go figure…

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[Chris Borjis]

[David Roth Weiss] “[Michael Gissing] “Ironically the Panasonic one looks poorest, but again I suspect lens & filters to be the factor.”

Yep Michael, I too have seen a lot of soft material in DVCProHD format, but I attribute it to the HVX200’s native 720p, often blown up to 1080i.”

Thats because HVX sensor is 960×540.

They use interpolation to first uprez to 1080 then back down to 720
for the 720 mode.

For that alone I’ve never used or been a fan of the HVX series.

I have an HD100 I use when needed for occasional shooting work and the
full raster 1280×720 progressive images that come out of it are
fantastic….https://hdcuisine.com/food_highlights.html

[Walter Biscardi]

[Michael Gissing] ” In my opinion, the biggest factor is not raster size but lens resolution. I have seen soggy HDCam and brilliant HDV. “

Absolutely. The quality of the final image is all in the hands of the photographer. We’ve done multiple documentaries shot with HDV that are visually stunning.

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[Justin Heaney]

Thanks for the feedback.
Sounds like the old adage of “craft & lighting” wins through.

HDV is a well thought out format it seems.

All the best

Justin

[Alan Smith]

[Justin Heaney] “Are there any forms of HD available (in the prosumer range) that give us full raster 1920 by 1080”

Check out Sony EX-3. It is a nice camera that shoots 1920×1080 with the larger 2/3 inch chip. It is in the higher end of the prosumer camera range.

Alan

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