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  • Choosing perfect sequence setting for the documentary

    Posted by Victor Goretsky on June 2, 2010 at 6:05 pm

    I am about to start editing documentary and footage that I’ve got comes from SONY EX1 29.97 (some 23.97), Canon Mark 5D and some SD DV 29.97.
    I am curious of any advantages or disadvantages to conform everything (including Canon and SD DV) to XDCAM EX 1080p30 (35 Mb/s VBR)
    Or go with another option and select as my sequence codec Pro Res 422 and uprez my SD DV and convert Canon 5D to Pro Res?
    So it comes to cutting the doc in XDCAM EX 1080p30 versus Pro Res as to what possible problems down the line like in color correction, graphics etc.
    Any thoughts, experience notes?
    Thanks

    John Pale replied 16 years, 2 months ago 5 Members · 14 Replies
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  • Jeremy Garchow

    June 2, 2010 at 6:27 pm

    [Victor Goretsky] “Choosing perfect sequence setting for the documentary”

    The one that makes the most money?

    [Victor Goretsky] “Any thoughts, experience notes? “

    What’s your final format?

  • Victor Goretsky

    June 2, 2010 at 6:33 pm

    Making money on the documentary? That is funny.
    I will stay in HD but it is the codecs experience XDCAM versus Pro Res I am not 1005 clear about.

  • Jeremy Garchow

    June 2, 2010 at 6:37 pm

    [Victor Goretsky] “I am not 1005 clear about. “

    Man, I wish I could be 1005 clear. 😉

    With ProRes, you will have to convert everything before hand. In my opinion, it’s worth it.

    The non XDcam footage you will have to transcode/conform anyway, so that might as well go to ProRes, then if you don’t want to transcode all of the XDCam footage, you can simply edit in a ProRes timeline.

    This way, all the transcoded footage will be ‘native’ and the XDCam will need a render in the ProRes timeline, but the render time isn’t that bad.

    Jeremy

  • Shane Ross

    June 2, 2010 at 6:43 pm

    Don’t convert anything to XDCAM. And don’t try to edit other formats in an XDCAM sequence setting. Slow renders, crashing, poor system performance will ensue. Convert everything to ProRes, or everything ELSE but the XDCAM to ProRes and edit in a ProRes sequence.

    Shane

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  • Victor Goretsky

    June 2, 2010 at 7:00 pm

    Just to clarify this
    SONY XDCAM transfer plugin converts everything into XDCAM EX 1080p30 and I do not see any option to convert in ProRez in one pass, right? So your recommendation would be for the better editing performance to convert XDCAM into Pro Res with Compessor, as a second pass?
    Everything else in my “video pile” I will convert to Pro Res 422. Any recommendations on uprezing DV? Any opinion on Magic Bullet Instant HD 1.1?

  • Jeremy Garchow

    June 2, 2010 at 7:04 pm

    [Victor Goretsky] “SONY XDCAM transfer plugin converts everything into XDCAM EX 1080p30 and I do not see any option to convert in ProRez in one pass, right? “

    Correct, you would have to use Compressor to go to ProRes (or you can use MXF4mac to edit from the native MXF files).

    [Victor Goretsky] “So your recommendation would be for the better editing performance to convert XDCAM into Pro Res with Compessor, as a second pass? “

    Just edit in a ProRes timeline (as opposed to XDCam). It will work much better than trying to editi XDCam.

    [Victor Goretsky] “Everything else in my “video pile” I will convert to Pro Res 422.”

    You got it.

    [Victor Goretsky] “Any recommendations on uprezing DV?”

    Hardware with a Teranex, you can do this at the very end so that all your upconverting is the final material you need.

    Jeremy

  • Victor Goretsky

    June 2, 2010 at 7:21 pm

    Thanks for recommendations.
    I am sure I’ll be back for a second and third “pass” with this pile of mismatched footage.

  • John Pale

    June 2, 2010 at 7:48 pm

    Or you can just edit on Avid Media Composer 4 or 5 and not worry about mixing anything.

    Not trying to be snarky. Its just the truth until the next FCS, anyway.

  • Bret Williams

    June 2, 2010 at 7:59 pm

    I still can’t understand why not edit in an xdcam sequence, but with the rendering set to prores. So any titles, graphics, transitions are pro res, and the footage stays original. It’s not going to make it look any better by up rezzing it. You might have to conform the xdcam in te end, but it seems one conform is better than uprezzing everything.

  • Jeremy Garchow

    June 2, 2010 at 8:01 pm

    [Bret Williams] “I still can’t understand why not edit in an xdcam sequence, but with the rendering set to prores. “

    Because it’s not really ProRes except in the timeline. When you export it, it will conform everything back to XDCam and suck up major time and resources unnecessarily. It’s best to just use a ProRes timeline.

    Jeremy

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