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59.94 Imports as 23.98 from AE?
I tired posting this in the AE forum several weeks ago and had no luck. I will try posting here an see if my luck changes. We have recently hired a new editor who does a great deal of work in AE. He either creates elements from whole cloth or he uses footage we shot using our HVX 200 as the base. We shoot exclusively with the HVX at 720p60. We set up the composition in AE to match.
When the time comes to export we use the DVCProHD 720p codec inside AE. However when we import in to FCS 2 it says the fps are 23.98. The clip length is correct but the frame rate is wrong so we end up missing a portion of the comp. I can adjust the timing to see the whole clip but then the timing is off. I am very confused. I have opened these clips in QT and they read 59.94. I can run them through compressor with the setting for DVCProHD 720p60 and them import them and they are fine. This however does not make for the most efficient workflow. It also really messes with my animation codec work.
I would appreciate any guidance on the subject as the folks at Adobe can’t see fit to call me back.
All the best in the Christmas Season,
Alex D’Eath
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Sounds like a setting in AE not set up right. Isn’t there a frame rate setting in the export dialog box? Dunno for sure, but sure seems like this is the problem.
Jerry
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I’m using the DVCProHD 720p60 codec for export. I have tried using the 29.97 and 59.94 frame rate setting in the Composition setting both to no avail.
Alex D’Eath
alex@spacecityfilms.com
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I’d think it should be 59;94… what does QuickTime report about the frame rate in the Movie Inspector? If it shows 23.98, sounds like a bug then in AE.
Jerry
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If it looks normal when playing back, clearly the video was shot at 23.98. Leave it that way, or re-shoot. Don’t convert it to 59.94 prior to editing.
Sean
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Movie info shows the clips to be 59.94. Info in FCS shows 23.98.
Alex D’Eath
alex@spacecityfilms.com
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Space City Films, Inc
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Video was shot and edited in FCS as 720p60 DVCProHD. Settings in AE where the same. When the clip is exported I select the same settings for the encode. When the clip plays back in QT it shows 59.94 as playback rate. Only in FCS is playback not correct. Here is an example.
Let’s say I export a comp out that is 10 seconds long. so roughly 600 frames. When I import the clip into FCS the clip is adjusted for a frame rate of 23.98 the length then becomes incorrect. Nonetheless FCS is still interpreting the clip incorrectly. I need help understanding why a clip QT reads as 59.94 or 29.97 which it is becomes 23.98 when imported into FCS.
Al
Alex D’Eath
alex@spacecityfilms.com
Operations Manager
Space City Films, Inc
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[Alex D’Eath] “When I import the clip into FCS the clip is adjusted for a frame rate of 23.98 the length then becomes incorrect. Nonetheless FCS is still interpreting the clip incorrectly.”
Does this re-interpreted footage look normal when you play this in the FCP Viewer or does it play back at a very slow speed? When you say the duration is changed, do you mean by a few frames or is it more than double the length?
Does your 60p footage have redundant frames in it (jog through one frame at a time in QT Player) or is it truly 60fps?
Sean
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Alright,
Sorry for the delay but my 2 year old had to stay home yesterday with an ear infection. I just ran a test where I imported a clip into after effects that was shot at 59.94. I set up the comp with a frame rate of 59.94. I then exported the clip with nothing done to it. I used the DVCPro HD 720p60 setting. I opened the clip in QT and it played back at 59.94. The clip length was 00:12:24. When I imported the clip into FCS the clip was now 00:12:09 and reading and playing back at 23.98. The clip length was very close to the original but the shot played back at half speed. So I end up missing half the clip. This test was done using CS 4 and FCS 6.0.4.
Alex D’Eath
alex@spacecityfilms.com
Operations Manager
Space City Films, Inc
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[Alex D’Eath] “When I import the clip into FCS the clip is adjusted for a frame rate of 23.98 the length then becomes incorrect. Nonetheless FCS is still interpreting the clip incorrectly.”
OK 3 things
first – are you sure that your 720p timeline is set to 59.94 or is it set to 720p23.98
In the log and transfer window – Turn OFF the check box to remove redundant frames
lastly if this is truly 59.94 content – open in CT and re-conform the file to be 59.94
gary adcock
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Okay first things first. We shoot all our footage on an HVX200 always set to DVCProHD 720p60. W have been shooting an editing in this frame rate since last summer as we found the strobing in 30 to be to much when we did quick pans. That and we have a very good DP. I ingest all the footage personally and often do some very basic rough cuts for my boss. I know that the settings for the clips and timelines are correct. My question is why does QT read the clip properly and when I import the clip FCS interprets the clip as something else. It appears to my eyes that FCS is doing pulldown. I just sent a 59.94 comp into FCS that it read as 23.98 and exported it back out with current settings. It now reads in QT as 23.98. I need to find the link to the posting on how to upload the video so I can show everyone what I’m talking about. As I stated earlier I can run these comps thru compressor set to DCProHD 720p60 and they ingest fine. I am trying to avoid this work around as it is a pain in the butt. Is there some sort of tag from AE in the QT file itself that FCS is reading and interpreting as 23.98?
Alex D’Eath
alex@spacecityfilms.com
Operations Manager
Space City Films, Inc
Above & Beyond…..
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