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Edit to tape issue
I’ve got a new output setup for a new project and can’t get the edit to tape to function. I’m outputting a sequence to a Panasonic HD1200A in 1080i. Tape is striped. I can control the deck with the Panasonic 59.94 device control setting (black and code, shuttle, etc.). When I try and drop the sequence over the Assemble Edit box, I’m not getting the highlight on that or Insert or Preview for that matter. If I drop the sequence on any of these, nothing happens at all. Any help would be greatly appreciated. Thanks
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Don’t hold me to this, but I believe that the 1200 didn’t allow you to master to it with ETT. YOu could only crash record to it. The 1400 was the first deck to allow Edit to Tape.
Walter would know better.
Shane
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Print to Video. The only thing I could get to work when I encountered this problem.
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No way to jam code though, right?
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Nope, still carried code. Thats the strange thing.
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[John Carter] “No way to jam code though, right?”
Nope…that was a huge issue with that deck. And that is why the 1400 was a breath of fresh air. What one show I worked on did was output to that format, then dub to HDCAM and add the right code then.
The 1200 really only is a capture deck. Not good for broadcast outputs. That is what the 1400 is for.
Shane
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John –
Shane is correct in that the 1200A was not designed (or was mis-designed, depending on whether you are a purchaser or manufacturer)- to do assemble edits. However there is a way to “trick it” into using the edit to tape function.
This presupposes that you have either a Blackmagic or Aja I/O card with HD-SDI. If you only have firewire I/O this won’t work.
the trick is to pre-black the tape with code, use HD-SDI for input but use firewire as the controller. The RS-422 controller won’t accept the assemble command, but the firewire controller will, as long as your not using it for the signal as well. Panasonic swore that this strange work around doesn’t work, but it does.
Herb Sevush
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Solved.
Firewire control is the trick. I do have the Kona and HDSDI out so everything is working as it should. Thanks so much. Very frustrating and I couldn’t find any other documentation. I’ll look into getting a 1400 as I’ve got a tremendous amount of DVCPro work ahead of me. Again, thanks.
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[John Carter] “Solved.
Firewire control is the trick.”
Yes, and keep in mind the timecode offset too if you’re trying to hit a certain TC for start of show. usually I had to offset my 1200A by about 11-19 frames depending on whether I was in 720 or 1080.
We used the 1200A for about three years and I was able to get very consistent results with Edit To Tape being controlled via Firewire. But understand this is an Assemble Edit only that is not all that clean. If you have a problem in your layback, you MUST start the edit all over again at the head of the show, do NOT try to make an Edit within the show, even in black.
For some reason Panasonic disabled RS-422 control via Recording on that machine.
The 1400 is a MUCH better machine (we have two of them now) as it has accurate Edit to Tape include Insert editing. Its base price is also $7,000 less than the 1200A with the same features. Go figure.
Walter Biscardi, Jr.
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Understand – no pickups. There is an off-set. Looks to be an even second. Appreciate the help.
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John –
I’m glad it’s working for you. so now I’ll give you part “B” of the tip. If you need to be frame accurate with the firewire controller you are going to have to use an off-set. I’ve tested a number of Panasonic decks and they all need to have an off-set when using firewire. With my 1200A the deck was typically off by about 7 frames. You can add an off-set under:
Audio Video Settings / Device Control Presets
If you haven’t done this before you have to make a copy of the basic DVCPRO HD Firewire preset, rename it , and then edit it to add the pre-set. Since things are never easy the off-set number is NOT the actual number of frames the deck is off – I believe I used an off-set of 23 to fix my actual 7 frame off-set. It’s a bunch of trial and error to you get the right off-set number. Once you have it, the deck will stay accurate.
Good-luck.
Herb Sevush
Zebra Productions
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