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Subclips and Master clips
OK…I am getting into working with subclips This is based on the workflow implimented at the production company. I would prefer logging and capturing, but they figured differently. SO…I am learning about subclipping. And thus far the manual has been a great resource…I have learned a few cool tips.
But, I have a quandry, and thus a question. If I have a subclip that I have cut into a sequence, and I want to match to that clip, I hit F to load the subclip into the Viewer. Fine. I hit SHIFT-F to locate the subclip in the Browser. Cool. But I want to match back to the MASTER CLIP. Not the file on the drive (I found the “reveal file” option)…but the master clip that the subclip came from, because I might remember that there was another cool shot on that tape. I can’t for the life of me figure out how to do this. Is it possible?
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No can do. The subclip is a master clip of its own and has no reference to the media it came from. One thing you can do is to remove the subclip limits, but then you’ll probably end up with a humongously long shot.
All the best,
Tom
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Which is why I’m NOT a fan of subclipping.
Seems to me it’s easier/faster to scan a long clip than click and load many, many individual clips. I recognize that there may be some kinds of work where this may make more sense, but for the kind of work I do, I find subclipping to be a waste of time… both to create and to use.
I’m sure others will disagree.
Mark
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Yeah, I thought so. Darn it.
Removing subclip limits opens the subclip up to basically reference the full clip, but doesn’t allow me to match to it in the Browser…which is what I was looking for. And I was instructed on how to REVEAL SOURCE FILE…that opened up the full clip too, but no Markers…the source file, not the master clip in the Browser.
Ahh well, the subclips have the master clip name in their name, I can APPLE-F it from that.
Thanks Tom.
Shane
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[mark raudonis] “I find subclipping to be a waste of time… both to create and to use.”
Well, I am using this as a way of scanning thru my footage. And when I have full tapes captured, and named by topic and date, it is tough to know what is on that clip. And there might be 5 to 20 different things from exteriors, interiors, a variety of actions. While I am a bigger fan of logging and capturing, this is working too. I’ll just learn workarounds to finding what I need.
And as you said, for the kind of work you do, this doesn’t make sense. For this project, they make a little sense.
But I hear ya Mark…I avoided them up til now. Although I am finding that I like them. Wish I had known about this option when I made my DVD.
Shane
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What I like to do is lay them in reel order in a sequence so I can scan through them like that. It’s also a way to avoid reusing clip, by cutting them out of the scanning sequence.
All the best,
Tom
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Shane,
I think there is a way to match to the orginal clip.
Use, from the top menu: view, match frame, source file. I think that will load the original master clip in the viewer.
I´m not with my Mac now, but…
Flavio.
Flavio G. Garc
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Shane
You might want to consider meeting them half way. Instead of sub-clipping, why not just use clip markers? As you know, if you use a marker to note the points of interest in each clip then that marked up clip displays a disclosure triangle in the browser, which you can then twiddle open to display a list of all those markers. Double clicking the marker opens the clip with the playhead at the marker position, so you ‘re then getting the benefit of discrete access to different points within the clip whilst maintaining the single master clip relationship.
EDIT: and then again maybe you’re not! I just tested this and it seems that using markers is exactly the same as sub-clipping. Double clicking a marker just loads a subclip into the viewer … there was me thinking that the subclip was not created until you specifically dragged the marker into the browser as a separate item. Move along, nothing to see here.
Andy
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Yeah, we tried that. The other editor was using that method as a form of subclipping. That is what got me on my subclipping kick. He couldn’t match back to the master clip, so I dove into the manual looking all this stuff up, then found how to make those marker clips into subclips, and how subclips worked.
I like everything but the inability to match back to the Master clip. Why can’t they do that?
Shane
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one of the things still missed from avid days (along with clipboard!). what I do is click on clip in timeline, select ‘remove subclip limit, then hit F again, now it reveals the entire master clip with the (former) subclip indicated by the in/out, not in the timeline but in the viewer. In the bin the subclip will have returned to the master clip from which it came, but should still have the in/out there to indicate its former margins…
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There are ways around this… type option +cmd+f… opens the source file… not the master clip in the browser, but essentially the same thing, unless you’ve added filters to the browser clip.
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