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  • ATI Radeon XT1900 XT

    Posted by Mark Rodway on February 1, 2008 at 12:49 pm

    Gentlemen………

    Having had issues rendering certain effects in 1080 10bit – with our Geforce7300GT graphics card (see copies of some posts below). I took advice and installed a ATI Radeon XT1900 XT graphics card. Instantly – problems cured – worked a treat.

    Precisely 1 day later I’m experiencing pretty major graphic issues – screens flicking / breaking up etc. – causing complete system freezes. Is there anybody out there running the same graphics card having similar issues?

    I was already having ‘heat issues’ with our ATTO R380 card – and after a spot of googling found 22 pages of similar heat related issues with Macs and this card on this site below…

    https://forums.worldofwarcraft.com/thread.html?topicId=94000596&sid=1&pageNo=1

    But I’m finding no mention of this issue here…… The card initially failed rendering HD images from Color. Now it seems to have pretty much failed. Is there an alternative card?

    Many thanks in advance.

    Mark

    MacPro 1,1
    2.66Ghz Dual Core Intel Xeon
    12GB RAM
    Blackmagic HD card
    ATTO R380 card
    ATI Radeon XT1900 XT card
    Sonnet Fusion E-SATA 4GB

    Previous posts that culminated in the purchase of an ATI Radeon XT1900 XT card…….

    We are having problems with effects rendering and playing using Prorez 422 HQ.
    Our system is: Mac Pro 2x 2.66 GHz dual core Xeon, 4GB RAM, with a NVidea GeForce 7300GT graphics card with 256 MB VRAM, pulling media off of a fFacillis over ethernet at.
    We get the following error message:

    “The effect “Desaturate” cannot be rendered in sequence of this size with the current graphics card”

    The time line shows the effect as rendered, but it will not play in the canvas desaturated. It does show in the Browser desaturated.
    Settings are at Safe RT, High Quality, full frame rate – we need to go out to tape.
    Obviously, the error indicates we should use a different graphics card, but is this correct? Everything else I read indicates that this card should be enough to edit and do effects with in FCP. Is there a problem with using this card for Prorez or HD material? What is the recommended card? Are there any links to the recommendations or known issues? Any help is greatly appreciated.

    Thank you,

    I am having exactly the same issue……

    I am also running a NVIDIA GeForce 7300 GT graphics card. I’ve tested an uncompressed 1080 QT (10 bit) in a uncompressed timeline to rule out the ProRes issue and I’m still getting the same errors. “the effect ‘overdrive’ (etc.) cannot be rendered in a sequence of this size with the current graphics card.”

    If I change the sequence to 8 bit – then the issue goes away…. So colour depth and resolution combined seem too much for the card.

    Any takers???????

    David Cooke replied 18 years, 2 months ago 9 Members · 17 Replies
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  • Peter Wiggins

    February 1, 2008 at 1:30 pm

    Mark,
    I’m using an ATI card with no problems whatsoever. I do have a fibre channel card installed, but not anything else.

    Off the top of my head if it is a heat issue:-

    1) Are all your fans working correctly?
    2) Have you tried running without the ATTO card installed

    hope that might help

    Peter

  • Mark Rodway

    February 1, 2008 at 1:38 pm

    Peter,

    Thanks for your assistance…..

    Yes, All the fans seem to be working and indeed, I am running smc fancontrol to turn them up slightly tho keep the PCIe chamber cool.

    As for running it without the ATTO card – I’d thought of that, but discounted it – as I’m going to need them both running to work in 1080 10bit. I’ve now re-installed our old 7300GT card and it’s working fine again – So temporarily I’m going to run without these effects – as it seems by far the lesser of two evils….

    I’m onto apple now for any ideas / or a fix…..

    Mark

  • Zak Mussig

    February 1, 2008 at 2:58 pm

    Mark,

    This is kinda a shot in the dark, but have you checked the speeds of our PCIe slots? System > Library > CoreServices > Expansion Slot Utility

    I only have the Geforce 7300, but maybe the ATI card needs to use the full speed of the bus.

    Zak

  • Mark Rodway

    February 1, 2008 at 3:14 pm

    Zak….

    Hmmmmmmmmmmm……. Had that thought too. But here’s the rub.

    I tried looking at what configuration I could use to best optimise what cards I am using.

    The graphics card asks for 16.
    The ATTO R380 raid card asks for 8
    My Blackmagic Card (God bless it….. ) Only asks for 4.

    This is a rudiamentary diagram of which cards are in where and what is allocated to it.

    Config Choices_________1___________2___________3__________4

    SLOT4 Blackmagic______4___________8___________8__________4
    SLOT3 (FREE)___________4___________1___________1__________4
    SLOT2 ATTO R380______1___________1___________8__________4
    SLOT1 ATI REDEON_____16__________16__________8__________4

    I had chosen to run with config 3 – slightly comprimising the graphics card (as it is with the original Geforce7300GT card), in order to allow capacity for the RAID card and ATTO card etc.

    It did run perfectly well with this configuration for a day – and now back with the 7300GT card is still working fine….

    Any thoughts?

  • Stuart Simpson

    February 1, 2008 at 3:30 pm

    If you think it’s a heat issue then this (free) widget is great for monitoring:

    https://www.islayer.com/index.php?op=item&id=7

    You could compare the 2 cards and see how they fare against each other.

    -Simmie
    1 MacPro – Kona 3
    2 G5 – Kona LH
    2 G4s – Cinewave
    xbox360, Wii, PSP, PS2
    https://www.speak.co.uk

  • Alan Okey

    February 1, 2008 at 3:46 pm

    Mark,

    The ATI X1900 XT is somewhat notorious for having these problems. Check the Apple Discussion Forums (Mac Pro forum) for the sordid details.

    I purchased the X1900 XT as an upgrade for my Mac Pro last year and after about 9 months I started having exactly the problems you described. Fortunately the card was under warranty, so Apple replaced it free of charge. All of the problems I was having went away upon replacing the card.

    It’s rumored that there are two versions of the card – a Rev. 1 and a Rev. 2. I can’t confirm this, but I can confirm that many people have experienced issues with this card, especially after upgrading to Leopard. Whether the X1900 XT fails because it slowly cooks itself over time due to ineffective cooling (leading to irreversible degeneration) or whether users simply got a bad batch remains uncertain.

    Have Apple replace your card under warranty and see if that fixes the problem.

  • Mark Rodway

    February 1, 2008 at 3:49 pm

    Cheers Alan,

    I’d read issues – but mainly on gaming sites where I guess the card is pushed exceptionally hard…. But not anything on here that I could dig up though…

    The card is being replaced – Hopefully by Monday.

    Mark

  • Doug Beal

    February 1, 2008 at 3:50 pm

    I’m using the same atto card controlling a sonnet fusion800. I have it set for 4 lane in slot4 and no problems with 422 uncompresssed 10 bit HDCam at whatever frame rate. I’m running a Kona 3 in slot3 (AJA recommended) also 4 lane. Nvidea 4500 in slot1 at 16 lane. I think you’ll want the full amount to gfx

  • Mark Rodway

    February 1, 2008 at 4:00 pm

    Doug,

    Food for thought – when I get the replacement – I’ll certainly try configuration 1. I didn’t want to compromise data throughput onto the drives….. But if you are saying that it works – I’ll most certainly give it a go.

    Thanks,

    Mark

  • Jeremy Garchow

    February 1, 2008 at 4:07 pm

    I also run an X1900 and a R380. No problems as of yet, but that means nothing really. There’s a firmware update for the X1900 that was pointed out by a generous cow user to me some time ago:

    Firmware

    Perhaps it will help.

    Jeremy

    I should also mention that you should have the PICe config utility set up for the second option from the top. Put your R380 in slot 4, Blackmagic in slot 3, a 1X only card in slot 2 and your graphics in slot 1.

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