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  • HELP! 1080 24P in 1080 60i timeline

    Posted by Michael Mattioli on October 30, 2007 at 1:30 pm

    I’ve shot lots of footage at 1080 24p with the HVX200, and have imported it into FCPro 5.04, my only 1080 option being 1080 60i. Original footage is gone from drive/P2. I need to deliver the original 1080 24P to client. How can I do this? do I need to upgrade FC? HELP!

    Jeremy Garchow replied 18 years, 6 months ago 2 Members · 11 Replies
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  • Jeremy Garchow

    October 30, 2007 at 2:43 pm

    [digitioli] “do I need to upgrade FC? HELP! “

    Yes. FCP 5.0.4 didn’t handle the removing of pulldown frames of 1080 24pA material.

    Jeremy

  • Michael Mattioli

    October 30, 2007 at 2:47 pm

    will the upgrade allow me to reconvert the footage back to 24P?

  • Jeremy Garchow

    October 30, 2007 at 2:49 pm

    Was the footage shot 24pA or 24PN?

  • Michael Mattioli

    October 30, 2007 at 2:57 pm

    just 24P not 24 PA or PN

  • Jeremy Garchow

    October 30, 2007 at 3:11 pm

    Right, 24pN in this case in 24p Normal, not like 24p Native for 720p material. Confusing, I know. The HVX does not shoot 1080p 24 Native.

    You will still need to upgrade. You then have to go through and do a rev telecine with Cinema Tools for each clip. Then reedit back in to a 23.98 timeline.

  • Michael Mattioli

    October 31, 2007 at 1:17 am

    Thanks so much for your prompt response Jeremy G! I had to run out to shoot again this morning before I got your last reply…
    One more question. Would simply re-importing the clips the 1080 60i clips from the drives into a 1080 24P timeline in an updated version of FC also work? Seems like it might be faster that the Cinema Tools, although I don’t know. Any difference in quality if it did work? Thanks again in advance.

  • Jeremy Garchow

    October 31, 2007 at 1:27 am

    No. Footage shot 24pNormal has to run through CInema Tools. If it was shot 24pAdvanced, you click one button and the pulldown is removed on import.

    Jeremy

  • Michael Mattioli

    November 1, 2007 at 10:30 pm

    Ok, got my FC Studio 2 upgrade. Can you walk me through what it is I need to do? If there are any batch shortcuts, please include them, since I have many many clips to reverse telecine to get back to 24 frames. Thanks.

  • Jeremy Garchow

    November 2, 2007 at 1:57 am

    The Cinema Tools Manual is really very good and concise.

    What you need to do is a reverse telecine. Unfortunately you need to do this clip by clip, or you could try the batch reverse telecine option in Cinema Tools.

    Really, I could explain it to you, but open Cinema Tools, Look under the help menu and choose the user manual. When preview opens up, search for “batch reverse telecine” and you will be well on your way.

    Do you know how 3:2 pulldown works?

  • Michael Mattioli

    November 2, 2007 at 2:45 am

    Yes, the Cinema Tools manual seems clear enough, although it doesn’t really address my specific problem, and I can’t afford to be wrong because of my client, the number of files I have to convert, and my delivery deadline. I have tested the batch reverse telecine and then importing the files into FC to check them, and it seems like it’s working.
    In the FC browser, the files’ video rates say 23.98… however, out on the desktop, when I do a get info (more info) on the reversed files, it still says under codecs that they are Integer (Little Endian), Timecode, DVCPRO HD (1080i60). This is disconcerting to me…

    I’m also confused as to what my Audio/Video settings are supposed to be in Final Cut so that I am getting an accurate read on what I’ve got after running the files through Cinema Tools. Right now in the timeline I’m checking the reversed files, the settings are:
    Sequence preset: DVCPRO HD -1080p24
    Capture preset: DV NTSC 48Hz Advanced (2:3:3:2) Pulldown removal

    I also have new original files that haven’t been converted from their original P2 state, out on the desktop waiting to be digitized. (I check the files so as not to give the client any crap files, and to edit some material that the film makers don’t want me to give to the studio.
    What should my FC settings be to ingest those files without having to do any other maneuvering? Again, shot on the HVX-200 1080 24p. Clearly, my shooting choice in the future (as of tomorrow) will be 24PA, since that setting seems to have it’s own preset.

    Really got to get this all right, and appreciate your help.
    Thanks again.

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