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Mark out adds one frame to playhead location.
When I mark in and out with the “I” and “O” keys, the in location is exactly where the play head is, the out is +1 frame from the playhead location. I have been on chat support with two Adobe guys somewhere in the World and neither of them can help me turn it off. It goes away if I select “display audio units” but I want to edit with timecode not with audio units.
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[Dan Nyberg] “When I mark in and out with the “I” and “O” keys, the in location is exactly where the play head is, the out is +1 frame from the playhead location.”
Dan,
Yes, that is a common behavior of all NLEs, in my experience. When marking out with the playhead, you have to move left one frame first. This is because the playhead is actually a full frame wide. Zoom way in on it and you’ll see what I mean. I don’t mark out with my playhead to combat this. A better option is to use the Mark Clip function instead of using the playhead when marking out.Avid Media Composer had an override when dragging the playhead and then marking out where you’d expect by pressing a modifier key.
If you want something like that in Premiere Pro, file a feature request: https://www.adobe.com/go/wish
Kevin
Kevin Monahan
Social Support Lead
Adobe After Effects
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Thanks Kevin,
So strange. I have been using the down arro key to get to a cut and then using the O key to mark out. I then use either ‘ or ; to lift or ripple delete. It has never (seemed) to take that “extra” frame. Can I make a macro that will mark out -1 frame?
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Dan,
Well, you’ve been deleting an extra frame then all these years. Ah well, we all learn that mistake sooner or later.Like I said, the best way is to Mark Clip, and then do your ripple delete, etc. because Mark Clip marks out correctly. Try it. Otherwise, you have to move left one frame and then mark out.
Kevin
Kevin Monahan
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Mark clip works if you want to take the entire clip not just a section of it. I guess I will add that as a feature request. It is a fast way to edit.
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Dan,
Yes, as I said, Avid has the feature. There, hold down CMD when marking out with the playhead. Feel free to make that request.Cheers,
KevinKevin Monahan
Social Support Lead
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Keep in mind that the frame you see when the playhead is parked is the frame to the right of it. When you set the out, the behavior assumes you want to include the frame you’re viewing in the clip. When you set the out, that frame looks like it’s beyond the playhead, but it’s actually the frame you’re looking at because the playhead sits on the leading edge of it.
TimK,
Director, Consultant
Kolb Productions,Adobe Certified Instructor
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It pretty much works the same way as FCP in that regard: https://documentation.apple.com/en/finalcutpro/usermanual/index.html#chapter=33%26section=1%26tasks=true
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Thanks for that Tim.
That seems reasonable because, why would I want to use a mark that is effectively one frame off. I thought it was operating that way. Yesterday, I had a V-only clip cut to a VA1A2 clip. I parked the play-head on the exact edit point (using the down arrow) and marked-out. For the first time that I have noticed in the six months after my switch to Premiere, it took the one frame off the VA1A2 clip.
If you can, I would appreciate it if you would please try it. You will see that at the cut-point, it will take one frame of the following footage.
I dont want to add an extra keystroke each time I do that operation (back arrow)
I will make a feature request that mark out takes only the footage before the play-head. doing otherwise seems counter-productive. -
Exactly Tero. Thanks for the link.
Maybe a good variance to the rule would be to not step on a separate clip if the play-head is parked on an edit. Or… maybe I just need to start adding the back arrow to my down arrow routine.
Thanks, Dan.
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[Dan Nyberg] “If you can, I would appreciate it if you would please try it. You will see that at the cut-point, it will take one frame of the following footage.”
Oh, I don’t have to try it…I do it every day…many times. After a while, you forget about the workarounds that are muscle memory.
There is no question that this is one area where the behavior of the set out function should really have a different relationship to the playhead position than up/down arrow edit point jump behavior and set in.
I know that this has been mentioned in the past so it is not unknown to Adobe.
TimK,
Director, Consultant
Kolb Productions,Adobe Certified Instructor
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