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better broadcast color over dvx100
Hello again. I noticed in one of the threads a discussion about just plain better shooting even DV over crapping shooting on the 200.
The preamble – I’ve been using the 100 for a few years but have always had color issues when the TV spots we produce go to local broadcast. What looks good on the monitor when we make the Beta tape dub looks great. Just like in the editing suite. But when we see it on a TV broadcast, the colors are all washed out. I’ve taken to over-saturating the colors so that when the go to air, they look a little closer to the original.
The question: Could I potentially have the same issue with the 200 (faded color), or will shooting in HD (and then compressing to DV) give me a better picture, especially in regards to color?
Thanks very much
Erik
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Have you learned how to do proper broadcast safe color correction and supply your work formatted properly for broadcast- such as with a color bar and tone? Also keep in mind some local broadcasters just don’t care much about how local commercials look.
Noah
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Admittedly the answer is no and yes. I do my best to adjust then take it to a production studio who adds the color bar and tone. From what I understand, they adjust the colors to their bars which leaves the ad looking pretty much the same as what I saw on my system. As for the broadcasters, it’s a regional network but other local ads don’t seem as washed out as mine. So it must be on my end. Would you mind pointing me in the right direction for some self-help on broadcast color correction?
And to answer the question re. the 200, I guess you’re saying it doesn’t matter what I shoot on if I don’t get the broadcast color correction right?
Thanks in advance.
Erik
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That is correct. I believe there are a number of DVD’s you can get at places like Abel Cine that have Color Correction advice. Also- paying a professional colorist to do it for you at least once is a great learning experience so you can understand how it works. And of course having a properly calibrated high quality broadcast monitor with Blue Only capability is essential.
Noah
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That is correct. I believe there are a number of DVD’s you can get at places like Abel Cine that have Color Correction advice. Also- paying a professional colorist to do it for you at least once is a great learning experience so you can understand how it works. And of course having a properly calibrated high quality broadcast monitor with Blue Only capability is essential.
Noah
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What’s your SETUP setting? It should be at 0%.
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Thanks for the replies. My setup is at 7.5%. I thought that that way I’d be sure to be OK with the black levels regardless of what was shot. I’m taking it that this is incorrect? It should be at 0%?
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In addition to my last posting, why would the IRE be set at 0% if the broadcasters will only accept 7.5? I’d have to adjust the brightness/contrast etc. in the editing process to get the blacks up to the 7.5. Is there a difference? Thanks again.
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There is no setup in the digital domain. It’s added only when the output is converted into an analog signal.
If you add it in digital, you add it twice!
Regards,
Uli
Author of “DVDs gestalten und produzieren”, a book on professional DVD-authoring in German.
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Exactly. You should never record 7.5% in the digital domain; 7.5% is an analog-only thing. The broadcaster is adding 7.5% to your image, and you’ve already added 7.5% to it, so the result is a double-setup milky-black pastel flat blah image.
You should always shoot, edit, and master at 0% setup. Setup should only ever enter the equation when copying to an analog format, and the analog deck should handle that for you. If mastering back out to P2, to tape, or to DVD you should be at 0% always.
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Wouldn’t you know. That seems to explain my vexation over washed-out colors once it’s gone to broadcast. But if you would humour me a bit longer. The way I do it is to record on the DVX100 (soon to be 2oo). Edit on Vegas 6, render as an avi file then copy that to a CD. From there I take the CD to a larger production house where they dump the file onto their system then add the color bars and tone. Once that’s done, they then make a master copy on a Beta SP tape, which I then take to the broadcaster.
In this scenario should the final avi file I give the production house have it’s black levels set at zero?
Thanks once again.
Erik
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