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more frustrated than not after NAB…
Ok so the perfect camera “for me” doesn’t exist.
After attending NAB and spending the first three hours of my one day at the Panasonic booth (thanks for the cushy carpet), I discovered a few things that I would like to get feedback on.
1.) The HPC2000 is very much a camera “on paper.” I personally could only get confirmation that it wouldn’t shoot 24p/30p — “its for news and broadcasters
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Chris Baldwin:>The HPC2000 is very much a camera “on paper.” I personally could only get confirmation that it wouldn’t shoot 24p/30p — “its for news and broadcasters
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The HVX is far exceeding my clients expectations. I am most critical of any work I do. I have edited side by side, HVX, VariCam and CineAlta Footage. Yes the higher end cameras do deliver a crisper picture, but not by much. And if you go to SD the differences are even less. We have over 200 clips and counting on our web-site. SO far all have been shot with the HVX. I am getting in new footage everyday and I am amazed by what I see. All the clips are converted to WMV HD for finally QC checks on our HDTV. I have not been disappointed by what I see. We are getting some shooters who have submitted VariCam & CineAlta footage, as they get it and understand that the future is here and not 2-3 years from now!
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JAN>>Well Chris that is one way to spin my words, but it also takes out the reality that the Codec chip set with that codec on it will not be small enough to fit. Additionally the NLE systems that support it really do not exist at this point and the only reason that you should change from one to another is for some reason. The different codec will offer the same quality, not better.<< That didn't mean that the camera that replaces the HDV with the H.264 is going to be larger than 1/3" does it? Will the body be getting bigger? CHRIS>4.) The camera of my dreams: {P2; 1080p/i,720p/i, 480p/i, 24/30/60; 2/3″ chip; interchangeable lens with variable frame rates} doesn’t exist and mostly likely won’t until the P2 Varicam comes out 2, 3, maybe 4 years from now) and when it does it probably won’t do SD anyways.
JAN>>It may be 2 or 3 years, but it is not now.<< Come on...which?... 🙂 JAN>>On first recording and no motion, very close. Editing will be vastly more processor heavy on the HDV side. But the 1/2″ camera that I saw the picture on is no way a match for the HDX900 or the Varicam.<< Perhaps you mistyped but I was referring to the XDCAM HD 35Mbps Long GOP not their Prosumer HDV codec. I'm still looking for a way of viewing side by side footage before and after compositing. Or I'm still looking for an objective set of data that says one thing is better than another in these situations but not these. I also just want to finish with a thanks to Jan for taking time to weigh in on this forum. Otherwise we loose a very authoritative opinion and well informed source of knowledge and this forum begins to loose significance. I definitely wasn't trying to spin anything just give "my" understanding and "my" reaction to that understanding. I appreciate the corrections and clarification. As to the issue of "the perfect camera" being 2 or three years away. It goes back to an earlier thread. Most independents need a camera to be marketable and rentable for at least two to three years to pay them off.(including glass and support) So it
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That’s helpful thanks. What is your website by the way?
Chris Baldwin
Shoulder High Productions
Media of the World; For the World!
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Hello Chris,
Yes we are all in the same boat. Its like taking a long trip….
Do you go and start exploring? Or do you stay home and wait for
the perfect time?? Do I have enough money? What will the weather be like?
Will I get sick? Will I get ripped off? Will I get lost?Same thing in the video world….But many, many people are taking the
journey even if it is not going to be perfect.My website is:
and many, many intrepid wanderers have decided to take the journey with me…………….
Mike Schrengohst
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Buy an HVX200 now, do a few projects get it paid off, when you need something better, then rent that “other camera”, the amazing thing about the hvx200 is that it does so many things and is relatively cheap for what it can do. It won’t beat out 2/3 inch cameras, but that would be silly to expect it to beat them out. It is frustrating not to have the perfect option right now, but in 2-3 years, we’ll probably all laugh at the quality that we had to deal with coming out of the varicam and the cinealta.
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Take a look at Red at http://www.red.com
Very interesting presentation given at NAB
Price-$17,500.00 + lens
Avail 12/06 or 1/07KB
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I will plunk money down for RED when I see it.
And $17,500 is just for the body, add Lens the only
one they announced is a 300MM for $5000
Storage ?? -$1000-$10,000
And the other stuff Batteries etc,
I think people were saying $40,000 for everything.
Plus it will be awhile before we can 4K material,
unless Apple, AVID, Adobe get on-board??
I love the concept but I was also an Original
Toaster Flyer owner – the first gen NLE????Mike Schrengohst
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[Mike Schrengohst] ” I will plunk money down for RED when I see it. And $17,500 is just for the body, add Lens the only one they announced is a 300MM for $5000
Storage ?? -$1000-$10,000 And the other stuff Batteries etc, I think people were saying $40,000 for everything.”And what have the other companies used to offer with that price?
2/3″ sd camera with tape drive.
And now they are replacing them with heavily compressed hd with 8bit colors.
RED is revolution compared to these.And RED will record to 2.5″ hard drives. Which ones do you think will be more expensive: hard drives than p2 cards?
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[Chris Baldwin] “Perhaps you mistyped but I was referring to the XDCAM HD 35Mbps Long GOP not their Prosumer HDV codec. I’m still looking for a way of viewing side by side footage before and after compositing. Or I’m still looking for an objective set of data that says one thing is better than another in these situations but not these.”
Xdcam hd is just plain old mpeg2. You can just capture something uncompressed or with little compression (digibeta, dvcpro50) and compress it to mpeg2.
Calculate the datarate (bytes/pixels/second) to same than in xdcamhd and judge with your eyes.
I find the biggest problem with interframe compression acquisition that some areas in the picture can chenge from frame to frame even if they should be the same.
So the compression creates some motion in the frame every now and then.
Color correction usually emphasis this thing.
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