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Pro Res to Vegas 13
I am shooting Pro Res on Atomos Samurai Blade with a Sony EX3 for a client that edits on Mac in Pro Res.
I want to use the Samurai and edit on Sony Vegas Pro 13. When I open his material on Vegas it looks jumpy and the picture can not keep up in sync. Since I am planning a feature film to be edited on my Vegas with F/X, green screen, multi-layers, etc. I do not want to compress any more than necessary. I have 24GB of RAM. What codec is my best option. Does Atomos have a codec that works better with Vegas than Pro Res or Avid DNxHD?
Thanks for your input.Mims
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Hi,
Sorry to say but there are but two codecs for Atomos products. For myself I find either codec works well enough to edit in Vegas. May I ask if the recording are in 4K?
Russ Froze -
As much as I would like to use 4K, no. However I am using an anamorphic lens that allows no pixel wasted (Phoney blacked out letter boxing), thus getting about 2554 x 1080 with an aspect ratio of 2.36 – so better than 1920, less than 3860. For this project, it will be fine. Next time 4K.
Which codec to you prefer to use on Vegas, Pro Res or Avid DNxHD?
Thanks,
Mims
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It depends on the number of files to be used. For simplicity and compatibility for my Mac brethren I use Prores. Keeping in mind the 32 bit Quicktime limitations in windows. It’s not the length of the files, rather it’s the number that causes a bottleneck. If the plan is to use many takes then I use DNxHD. Also I keep the bitrate in Vegas down to 8 Bits for cutting and turn on the 32 bit for color correction and finishing. Toggling between preview modes also helps the editing process. It is a tradeoff for the task at hand.
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[William Mims] “However I am using an anamorphic lens that allows no pixel wasted (Phoney blacked out letter boxing), thus getting about 2554 x 1080 with an aspect ratio of 2.36”
What do you have your project properties set to? What are the properties of your events on the timeline? You will get better performance if you project properties match your source video exactly.
Also you didn’t tell us about the specs of your computer. We know you have 24GB of memory but what you probably don’t realize is that QuickTime on the PC is 32-bit and limited to using 2 GB of memory so your 24GB of memory is irrelevant because it’s not being used. Vegas Pro can only use 2GB for QuickTime files.
What CPU and GPU do you have? Theses are the important components when trying to edit with Vegas Pro.
Of course, you could always just buy a Mac. if you are collaborating with people on the Mac then you really should own one otherwise cross-platform compatibility is always going to be an issue.
~jr
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Just to be clear, my client using Pro Res does his own editing on a Mac. I do not edit his material, however I have my own project that I will record in DNxHD for my Sony Vegas Pro 13. I do not need to get a Mac.
John to answer your question:
CPU is Intel(R) Core(TM) i7 CPU 940 @ 2.93 GHz. GPU is a GeForce GTX 285.
Only able to use 2GB may explain why Pro 13 with several layers (Green screen, several images on screen at once) has crashed the edit when it got longer than a couple of minutes.
How do I changes these limitations short of buying a new system?
The project will need to be 90 minutes long with many layers in some places. I do not want crashes long after I am into the edit.Mims
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[William Mims] “CPU is Intel(R) Core(TM) i7 CPU 940 @ 2.93 GHz. GPU is a GeForce GTX 285.”
I’m guessing that Vegas Pro can’t even used that GPU. I’m not sure it would use any GPU with QuickTime files anyway so buying a better GPU won’t help in this case.
[William Mims] “How do I changes these limitations short of buying a new system? “
Stop using QuickTime. That’s the only solution. If you are using a PC you should be editing with PC native containers (AVI, M2T, MFX, etc.). If you are on a Mac you should be using QuickTime (MOV). You DO NOT want to use QuickTime with a PC. It’s a simple as that (which is why I recommended that you get a Mac). People who use PC’s should not buy cameras or devices that shoot QuickTime. This is a format optimized for the Mac not the PC (at least not for Vegas Pro users).
~jr
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Am I to understand that DNxHD and ProRes are confined to QuickTime? (QuickTime would not be my choice because of the compression. I want as much quality as I can get to the final master.) Those are the only choices? I am fine with (AVI, M2T, MFX, etc.) but the Atomos will only record DNxHD or ProRes. Which one, if either, will allow me to work in AVI M2T MFX? That is really what I am trying to figure out.
Thank you for helping me get this worked out so I can use Vegas, with Atomos and my EX3.Mims
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John- Let me add this to my last post:
In rereading the entire post, I see the subject of QuickTime came from another person in the thread so I see why you said “stop using QuickTime”. So QT would not be my choice to begin with. I just need the right one to get the most quality and compatibility with Vegas in order to keep it from crashing when a lot of layers are added to the picture timeline. I have contacted Sony Creative Software asking why Pro 13 crashes so much to no avail. A simple reply saying you are using the wrong output would have been nice from them.Mims
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[William Mims] “Am I to understand that DNxHD and ProRes are confined to QuickTime?”
Both Avid DNxHD and ProRes can use MXF or QuickTime containers. I believe the only way to get DNxHD and ProRes into an MXF container is on Avid for Mac. This is why it’s not an option for Vegas Pro users on Windows.
[William Mims] “QuickTime would not be my choice because of the compression. I want as much quality as I can get to the final master.”
QuickTime has nothing to do with compression. Quicktime is just a container. You can place any video and audio you want into it. If you put uncompressed video in QuickTme you will have lossless video without any compression. QuickTime is not a video format. It’s just a container like AVI is. It’s what you put into it that determines the video quality and Apple ProRes can yield extremely high quality.
[William Mims] “Those are the only choices? I am fine with (AVI, M2T, MFX, etc.) but the Atomos will only record DNxHD or ProRes. Which one, if either, will allow me to work in AVI M2T MFX? That is really what I am trying to figure out.”
The Atomos records DNxHD or ProRes in a QuickTime (MOV) container. Those are your only choices and neither one of those is optimal for Vegas Pro.
I’m not sure that you are getting my point so let me state it again, hopefully more clearly: People who own PC’s and edit with Vegas Pro should not purchase the Atomos. I can’t be any clearer than that. The Atomos is designed for Mac editors. It shoots Mac QuickTime files. Vegas doesn’t handle QuickTime files well when you have too many of them. This is due to the 2GB limits of 32-bit QuickTime on Windows. So I would not buy an Atomos unless I was editing on a Mac in which case the ProRes files are exactly what I want to edit with Apple Final Cut Pro X.
[William Mims] “Thank you for helping me get this worked out so I can use Vegas, with Atomos and my EX3.”
So you have a Sony EX3 which shoots XDCAM EX intraframe codec that Vegas edits like butter, and you want to capture QuickTime files? This doesn’t make sense. If you are going to purchase Sony cameras and edit with Sony software you should stick with the Sony XDCAM EX format.
~jr
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[William Mims] “I see why you said “stop using QuickTime”. So QT would not be my choice to begin with.”
But QuickTime WAS your choice by buying the Atomos. Don’t you see? You purchased a device that shoots QuickTime files? That was not a good idea if you plan to edit with Vegas Pro. See my other reply for a longer answer.
~jr
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