[Ted Coakley]

10 months later, still wondering if anyone in the green pastures of CCow.net might answer my last posting in this thread.
Anybody??

[Ted Coakley]

Thanks for the reply, Eric!

[Eric Strand] “HD 1280×720 16:9 creates a video that is 1248×702”

That leaves me wondering, then why call it 1280×720, when it actually makes a 1248×702?!

[Eric Strand] “In practical use, I think it’s fine to use either one.”

I guess I’d find it fine to use either one, only if 1248×702 is a sufficient size, but if you actually need bigger than that (i.e. the 1280×720 one chooses, thinking they’re getting that), then it would definitely not be fine, in practical use, to choose the smaller 1248×702.

I wonder why the inaccurate 1280×720 label for a 1248×702 size!

[Ted Coakley]

[John Pale] “How are you determining the aperture settings of movies in the Capture Scratch folder? Are you viewing in QuickTime Player 7 or in QuickTime Player X? QuickTime Player X always displays as Clean. It ignores the Production setting. Only QuickTime Player 7 will display it using the Production setting.”

Yeah, I guess I was viewing those Capture Scratch .MOVs in their cropped mode, via Finder’s QuickLook, or maybe in QT10.

[John Pale] “To view QuickTime movies, you are using a player. You can use QuickTime player 7 (pro), QuickTime Player X probably your system default, when you double click a movie.”

Oh, you’re asking what player do I use for QT movies. Got it. Your previous post asked what player for QT (without you mentioning QT movies then, I thought you were asking what player for QT the app (which didn’t make sense to me) not about QT movies)?

Thanks much!

[Ted Coakley]

[John Pale] ” You can check to see if you have Pro enabled by seeing if “Export” is greyed out. If it is, Pro is not enabled. I think without Pro, you also don’t get to change anything in the Properties Pane. If you can, then maybe you do have Pro”

Export is not greyed out, I can change things in the Properties Pane, and I DO see mention of “Pro” at File > About QuickTime Player 7 (there is a little “Pro” icon on the blue “Q” icon.). I also see “Pro” mentioned at File > Registration. Although it doesn’t say Pro in a normal obvious location for such mention (i.e. app’s name in Toolbar), I guess it is Pro.

[John Pale] “https://documentation.apple.com/en/finalcutpro/usermanual/index.html#chapte…”

a-ha! This article says, “Note: Final Cut Pro always displays video in the Production aperture display mode. The default setting for QuickTime movies exported from Final Cut Pro is also the Production aperture display mode.”
Strange that it sets Conform:Production (maintains the full-frame/image) view in FCP and in FCP exports, but the Capture Scratch’s .MOV files from Log/Transfer are Conform:Clean (NOT full-frame/image).

[John Pale] “The player you use for Quicktime crops it by default,”

There isn’t a player I use for QT. The player I use is QT.

[John Pale] “QuickTime Player X has much diminished functionality than QuickTime 7, so much so that Apple continued to recommend installing QT7 to all FCP users.”

B-b-but, why? Why would later version be so less functional than earlier version?

[John Pale] “Sounds like introduced more questions than I answered.”
Yep – sorry! Hopefully someone can answer the rest of the Qs.

THANKS!

[Ted Coakley]

Is your post about QTPro aperture setting in this thread (I don’t remember it)?

***Check out John Pale’s post in this thread about Conform:Production (https://forums.creativecow.net/readpost/8/1182746). It doesn’t totally solve the problem, but shows that the .MOV file DOES contain the full frame image – it just ain’t showing it in various viewers/editors – and maybe would help lead people more savvy than me to a full-solution! Then, my post replying to his has relevant/pursuant thoughts/Qs.

[John Pale] “Weird that Apple buries that setting and doesn’t offer it at all in Quicktime X.”

I disagree with that. Frustrating and nonsensical, yes, but weird (if you mean unusual or uncommon) I’d say no way. If I had the time or emotional fortitude to address every frustrating and seemingly nonsensical/dumbshit thing Apple (or Microsoft or Adobe or Dell or pick-any-phone/cable/internet/telecom company, IRS, ETC ETC) did, it would be a full time job for me and a staff of 20 me’s. I swear, with all the obstructing or distracting issues I run into (like this weird cropping thing), I feel like a world-class sprinter who rarely has the time to train/compete because I’m always so busy weaving the fibers to repair breaking shoelaces and harvesting the rubber and fashioning it into better fitting soles for my shoes. I wonder if all other editors and computer users are equally frustrated, or just much better shoelace-fiber-weavers and shoe-sole-rubber-harvesters/fashioners than I am! :-ppp

[Ted Coakley]

Some “wow”s, “huh”s and Qs to reply to this:

a) YES, I DO have QT7 in my Utilities – thanks for pointing it out!

b) I have QTPlayer7, NOT QT7 PRO.

c) Despite being QTPlayer7, not Pro, I still can access the Movie Properties > Presentation > Conform: Production setting you mention. So, is getting QT7Pro necessary for some reason?

d) Why does QTPlayer7 have functionality that later generation QT10 Player does not (i.e Open Image Sequence (That I’ve been searching for and wondering where it went for last few weeks!) and Show Movie Properties)?! Anybody have any thoughts/advice on whether to use QTPlayer10 vs QTPlayer7, vs either version of Pro? Seems rather convoluted/nonsensical at this point (considering 7 has functionality 10 does not).

e) *** YES – setting Conform to Production returned the full frame image – In QTPlayer7, that is. I saved the file w/the Conform:Production setting, then opened again in various viewers (i.e. QTPlayer10, FCP7, Finder’s Quick Look), and it only shows the full frame in QTPlayer7.

f) SO, I guess FCP7 Log/Transfer did NOT crop the image, but rather leave a marker in the .MOV file it made to tell viewers (i.e. QTPlayer10, FCP7, Finder’s Quick Look) to NOT show the full image?

g) Is there a way to get FCP7 and other viewers/editors to utilize the whole image that actually is there in the .MOV file, just like your Conform:Production technique did?

h) I don’t have Mavericks, I have 10.7.5 on my 2011 MacBook Pro. Afraid to upgrade, as I loathe the dozens (scores? hundreds?) of hours of time/troubleshooting/backingup/restoring/verifying-files-exist that always follow reinstalling or OS upgrades. Stomach turns at the thought of it.

WOW, interesting/frustrating.

THANKS!

[Ted Coakley]

Hi John, thanks for your reply!

I have QT Player Version 10.1 (not QTPro), and I don’t see “Show Movie Properties” in the Window Menu or anywhere else, nor do I see “Conform aperture to:” anywhere.
Any other way to about it whatever “Conform aperture to:” is supposed to achieve?

Thanks,
Ted

[Ted Coakley]

[Shane Ross] ” I to think that the size of the image missing is very miniscule. But it is missing. That is odd.”

Miniscule, and insignificant in this instance, but maybe significant in other instances – and thus the cropping is not only odd, but unacceptable (unless one must just get used to framing with the impending crop taken into account).

Anybody know if there is a way to avoid the cropping?

Thanks!

[Ted Coakley]

Got it 🙂

Notice the top image (HVX200 DVCProHD 720pN24 camera original showing in P2ViewerPlus window) shows in ITS top right corner 3.5 white columns on building to the right of the tree….
AS OPPOSED TO….
the lower image (QT display of the 960×720 image created by FCP7’s Log/Transfer of aforementioned cam original) shows in ITS top right corner only 3 of those white columns.

The difference is subtle, and there are other indicators of cropping you can see around all the edges of the windows, but the crop is definitely there.

Does this help?

(And, curious question: Does seeing this screen grab help anyone understand my scenario/issue/questions in a way that my previous phrasing and rephrasings of did not? I’d just like to know, because I thought I’d explained it fairly well, without the image, and I’d like to know where my explanation fell short and didn’t represent what the screen grab does.)

Thanks!!

[Ted Coakley]

[Shane Ross] “can you take screen shots of the P2 Viewer VS QT and FCP? So we can see?”

…..looking up how to do screen shots (despite having done it umpteen times over the years, I never remember, just don’t do it often enough) …. back in a bit…..