Stephen Schott
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Ty,
I appreciate your input. It actually was what I was expecting but to add “one more thing” to the production that is on a shoe-string… I was hoping for something else, but expecting this. Thanks. Still would love to hear any other solutions other productions have tried/used out there.Stephen Schott
12Basket Productions“When you’ve got family, everything else is extra”
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This is a great community… One thing to remember here, is you get the full spectrum of professionals, low and high end budgets with all of our bias’s. I use a Sony EX1 (or EX3). Great camera for our budget and I’d recommend it, always. Is it compressed? Yes, but a good compression, I think. If you use the BNC cable output you can connect it to a deck and record uncompressed but I’ve yet to find a time to need that, and I don’t have a deck (nor can I afford one) that records uncompressed. EX1 or EX3’s are great, but they will be somewhere around 7K to 11K(?). That doesn’t include mics, media (which are expensive), ingestion, tripod, anything else which you WILL need. Straight economics, you will not find a 3CMO/CCD prosumer/professional camera (NON-HDV) for less than 5K. 5K to 15K is scraping the bottom of the barrel regarding “prosumer/professional” cameras. To get into uncompressed, you’re looking at serious money. Haven’t looked at cost in a long time, but I’d say MINIMUM 20K and on up to 70-80K. To start with the EX1/EX3, budget 10K to 15K to start purchasing a camera and all the peripherals.
Stephen Schott
12Basket Productions“When you’ve got family, everything else is extra”
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Nope, although a good article!
Stephen Schott
12Basket Productions“When you’ve got family, everything else is extra”
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It wasn’t doing anything. Just blipping at me. But I FINALLY figured it out. I didn’t have video or video + audio or audio selected. Always happens. I’ll work for days (Yesterday and today) to try and figure it out myself. As soon as I post, 5 minutes later I figure it out. And inevitably, it is something fairly lame I’ve been overlooking. Thanks though!
Stephen Schott
12Basket Productions“When you’ve got family, everything else is extra”
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Jake,
Not sure what you mean?
I thought the discussion was about the content of such political spots or any other spot, for that matter. Also, I think the discussion was going towards a moral compass and should or should we not accept jobs dependent on our own person morals as editors. I may not be thinking all of this through, but what does finance reform have to do with content of a spot? It may affect how much money they can put towards the spots, it distribution, and frequency of air, but content? I guess it depends on the bill.
BUT, to address your comments, don’t we already have the power to quiet this (if we want to)? We have the power, at the primaries, to vote for those that don’t carry the torch for the status quo. But to try and force politicians to have a moral compass through legislation is silly, IMHO. Let them shine like this. Then we know what we are all voting for. They still get voted in, majority rules and I can become more active.Stephen Schott
12Basket Productions“When you’ve got family, everything else is extra”
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It becomes a downward spiral. If I say I won’t do it, they’ll find someone that will. The reason they will, is because “everyone else does it”. It becomes kind of like the speed limit. If everyone is doing it, whose the cop going to pull over? Everyone!? Eventually the cop will pull over someone and instead of a ticket, it will ruin your business and life. I don’t want to be the one being made an example of. And then the small “mom and pop” shops think, “I’m too small for them to care about.” Tell that to the little girl in NY a few years ago that Sony started to sue for pirating music or movies, I’m not sure.
I don’t do it. They want to use footage/images/music illegally, go find a different production company. I put product out there in the world, and when it gets used this way, it is literally taking food from my children’s table. You can screw with me personally, but you start messing with my family, I’m ticked. If it was happening to these producers you work with, and they saw the money that was being taken from them, they wouldn’t do it either. They just don’t think, or don’t know, it could happen to them.Stephen Schott
12Basket Productions“When you’ve got family, everything else is extra”
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LOL. As if Youtube is the governing body for the music industry! “If YouTube says it’s OK, then it must be legal”.
Stephen Schott
12Basket Productions“When you’ve got family, everything else is extra”
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Yep, if they payed you for shooting, there’s a simple argument that they own it. And if they get really good production value for it, then you get those bragging rights, even if you didn’t edit it. Your a shooter then, not an editor. Separate world, separate costs. But your “cut rate” costs may be something to re-consider if you feel your not being compensated properly for video to be edited/used by others. After a shoot, you have to feel compensated enough to be able to let go of the video to be done with by whomever. Personally, if I’m hired to shoot, I shoot the video and when I’m done I hand the video over, be it on disc, disk or tape. If they want me to edit then we go from there. But it is priced to make a living (house payment, insurance, retirement, kids college, etc.), keep the business going (it’s own bills, payments, etc. etc.) , and pay for the maintenance of the camera WHEN (not if) something goes wrong with the camera. If they want a package deal with shooting, editing, compositing, and all that, then costs are different.
I would guess that if your friend is a businessman, he’ll understand what business costs are. Contracts are a legal, fancy way of communicating. If he doesn’t understand all the things that goes along with our business, explain. THEN get a contract.
Stephen Schott
12Basket Productions“When you’ve got family, everything else is extra”
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Interesting angle. OK, politics is a hot-button issue. “How can you support HIM!”. But Grin makes a point. We’ve all made products or people look BETTER than they are… What’s the difference? Because there was an editor out there than made a specific processed meat a world wide phenomenon, should we rack him up because I think that product sucks and tastes horrible? Just a thought. PC is good as long as we make everything and everyone POSITIVE. As soon as negatives are pointed out, then it’s abhorrent?
Stephen Schott
12Basket Productions“When you’ve got family, everything else is extra”
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You are asking for legal advice here, and no one really wants to post on stuff like this, so I’ll give you my PERSONAL advice. You’ve charged them $250 to shoot the event, regardless of editing… Why did you charge them if not because it was their video? A producer hires me to go out and shoot video of something… If I didn’t charge them, then I’d say it’s my video and if he wants to use it, it will cost $… But if someone pays me to shoot something, why would he pay me unless it was his video? I guess my question is, if you charged him $250 to shoot the video, why wouldn’t it be his? And if all he’s asking for is the shoot tapes, just hand them over… no time really involved. I guess you could charge him for shipping…
If I could read between the lines, I think you are regretting the low “cut-rate” cost because it was under the assumption you’d get all the video work? Now your not? Or are you on some other format, and you’ll have to transfer the video from a hard-drive to something else and that’s the time your concerned about? Not sure we’re getting the whole situation, but with what we are being told, there is my PERSONAL advice.Stephen Schott
12Basket Productions“When you’ve got family, everything else is extra”