Hi thanks for the advice but whenever i’ve used displacement maps with it it is very tacky, i find that the get colour from layer effect in rings actually does an amazing ripple like effect without the messy distortion of the background, the problem is one emmiter wont do the job, it just doesn’t look right, i’ve made an effect similar to what i want now but it’s still not the same. its quite hard to do. but thanks anyway 🙂