[Simon Ubsdell]

[Jeremy Garchow] “There’s a different style of cataloging software currently in beta called Kyno. It sits on top of the Finder so there’s no library file. It sends to X, 7, and Pr, exports XMLs for all of those, and is worth checking out: https://lesspain.software/kyno“

Thanks very much for this tip, Jeremy. This is exactly the solution I have been looking for for our business.

It’s very fast, very lean, very capable and super simple to use. It does many of the things that KeyFlow Pro offers in terms of what we are talking about here (it works a treat with both FCP X and Premiere), though not at the same level of complexity. But because of its super light weight it does many of them a lot faster and for me that’s a really big consideration.

I don’t know whether it’s a solution for a networked environment which is where KFP seems to excel, but it’s well worth looking at otherwise.

EDIT: From the FAQ however there is this … “Currently we have no support for raw video formats like RED Raw, Arri Raw, or Adobe DNG as produced by Blackmagic Design cameras. Adobe DNG is planned but we have no ETA yet.”

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[Simon Ubsdell]

[Bill Davis] “Am I misreading this, or is this approach constrained primarily to clip and camera based metadata?”

Absolutely not, as far as I am concerned. It’s about something much bigger, I think.

There’s an interesting conversation going on lower down about MAMs and the minutiae of how we currently work with metadata given the various tools that are currently on the market. But I was hoping we could also have a discussion about the wider picture of where we can envisage things going into the not so distant future.

What I’m interested in is which kind of models of media access we will be using in a few years time.

Here’s an analogy, cos they always work well around here!

When we go to use Wikipedia, we are not pulling digital volumes off digital shelves. We don’t go to the volume labelled X-Z and hunt through till we get to Z and then flick through till we get to Zuo Zongtang.

Instead we go to the search field and we type ZU … and amazingly our work is done because the entry we are looking for pops up without having to type any more than that.

Out of the untold wealth of information (and misinformation, let’s be fair!) that is contained in Wikipedia, I can find this one tiny nugget with just two keystrokes. If you don’t think that’s amazing, then you’ve probably lost your capacity for wonder!

All of which is to say that there are already better ways of finding things with our computers than hunting through “containers” to find them.

It’s not always easy to see beyond the limitations of the tools we currently use and imagine what tools we might find ourselves using at a later point in time. Some of you may remember that there was a certain resistance to the novel concepts that Apple introduced in FCP X … just for example.

So just because we can’t necessarily imagine how search-based media management would look, it doesn’t mean it’s inherently implausible or impractical.

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[Simon Ubsdell]

This place ain’t what it used to be.

I was hoping this would lure Walter S. out of his batcave and David L. down from his ivory tower and it would get very interesting very quickly.

Where are you, guys?

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[Simon Ubsdell]

Ah, OK – I missed those. Intuitive UI misfire. But yes, those are useful.

Simon Ubsdell
tokyo productions
hawaiki

[Simon Ubsdell]

OK, cool – I see what you’re saying.

Those automator type functions are somewhat limited right now, though? Useful, but I guess I was holding out for something a bit more.

it certainly is a great product though, with lots of interesting depth.

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tokyo productions
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[Simon Ubsdell]

Very helplful guide, thanks John.

Just one specific query in what you said.

“You can build lots of workflows to auto tag media with specific names on import.”

Could you elaborate on this?

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[Simon Ubsdell]

I’ll tell you a little story.

I used to click around and about and drill down through folders to find my documents and images and music and everything else.

i used to click to create tabs in my browser and search for things.

I used to click to open applications.

I used to do a heck of a lot of clicking.

Then a few years back, one of my ridiculously talented editing friends asked me if I’d ever used Alfred.

These days, I practically never click to find/launch anything.

And, goodness me, have I got faster at using my computer.

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tokyo productions
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[Simon Ubsdell]

John, I know you’ve gone into this before in a lot of detail but could you give me an idiot’s guide to the main selling points of KeyFlow Pro as they might relate to this broader question?

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[Simon Ubsdell]

OK, yes, I see what you’re saying. That’s a great explanation.

I’d really love to know how this is working at the coding level – we’re stuck with using analogies to describe the process, of course.

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tokyo productions
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[Simon Ubsdell]

[David Mathis] “I believe you said in a previous post (feel free to correct me) is that text looks at the clip name. It turns out, my apologies if I missed it in a previous post, that text can look at notes and other metadata that is used.”

Thanks for the correction, David. I did not know that, and yes, it’s very useful as you say.

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tokyo productions
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