Shawn Miller
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“Adobe sold a lot of Pr copies but bundled with other apps. That doesn’t mean people are using it.”
I think you and Tom may be using the term “pro” to define those that work in broadcast. However, the vast majority of post-production jobs are not in broadcast, and that’s where you’ll find the bulk of PP users; event videography, IFP production, corporate/industial work etc. Where you will find PP use in film and braodcast is among motion graphics and VFX artists who have to edit.
I also believe that content creators can be very myopic about the tools they use. Many Maya artists will tell you that no uses Cinema 4D for professional work… Pro Tools operators are fond of saying that PT is “The Industry Standard” and that no one really uses Audition for professional work… Fusion and Nuke artists often say that After Effects is really only used for motion graphics and not for “real” VFX work. And (of course) I’ve heard a lot of Mac users (over the years) claim that no one uses Windows PCs in high-end production work. None of this is true… but I think it underscores the fact that people often have a hard time understanding what happens outside of their own user community… so yes, there probably are just as many people really using PP as there are using FCP.
Thanks,
Shawn
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“Over 2 million seats sold”
True for Premiere Pro and FCP, if Apple and Adobe are to be believed equally.
Shawn
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“I may be forced to crossgrade my Adobe license and switch back to a Windows PC (ewwwww!!!) with CUDA.”
It seems like you’re already anticipating a poor experience with Windows, why not just stay with OSX and switch to Avid, or something else that suits your needs? It’s doubtful that Adobe will support Open CL anytime soon, so why put yourself through the pain?
Shawn
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“Your not part of the editor demographic that will be financially sensible to “immediately” move to FCPX because of the fact that your heavily invested in FCP 7 gear, (plug ins,hardware etc.). Thats fine. But for the rest of the other guys, those that are about to go inoa transition period of upgrading their systems, those new businesses that have an al digital workflow, and all the new editors that want to get into the game and looking for a system to invest into, in short, those who are thingking about their future, FCPX should be a great option.”
I think you may be missing a bigger point here. For smaller post houses, individual producers/contributers and younger artsist, there are already very good and promising options available… ones that work today in traditional and cutting edge workflows. No need to wait for some unspecified time in the future when a v.1 application will be as capable as what we have today. If I’m not missing anything now, what’s my incentive to even try FPCX?
“Given that there are currently stability issues, minimal plu ign support, file sharing capabilities but those have been promised to be fixed…”
This statement does not inspire confidence… 🙂
“…AND WHEN THEY DO, what becomes of your previous opinion about FCPX?!”
I’ll be thinking “wow, FCPX is finally working. Good thing I didn’t jump on it when it wasn’t working.”
“Suddenly it becomes the fastest most powerful editimg software that exists…”
That’s assuming all other NLEs will stay in their current state… my bet is that they won’t. Adobe, Avid, Sony, Boris and other aren’t exactly playing catch up with FCPX as it is.
“…and all the new editors that youll be hiring, those exposed on an all digital workflow…”
You should be aware that all digital workflows aren’t new. I (personally) haven’t shot on tape for almost five years now… I think the last time I edited source from tape was three years ago.
I suspect that there are thousands of producer/editors like me. BTW, I have hired editors who have had little or no expereince with tape… (again) no need to wait for FPCX to mature.“…The iPad have just recently made the largest PC manufacturer give up..”
If you’re talking about HP, I’m not sure you understand what really happened… HP is spinning off it’s consumer PC business. Professionals will still have the option to purchace powerful workstations. If not from HP, then other vendors still exist.
Shawn
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“And there are other articles you can search that state that HP is getting out of the PC business.”
I’m not disputing that HP may be getting out of the consumer PC business… I’m saying that their enterprise business is a different animal, and that it is not inconcieveable that they’ll retain the products that support their industry solutions (hardware wise), that’s all. This happens all the time, a company may spin off a business unit or a product group, but that doesn’t mean that they’ll spin off all aspects of of that business.
“There’s nothing that leads me to think that they will retain HP Z series as part of a software service driven solution any more so than IBM”
HP’s industry solutions are a combination software, services and hardware (just like IBM). I don’t see any evidence that they’re looking to become a purely software/business consulting company like Accenture or Cap Gemini.
“Desktops are becoming a smaller and less profitable market so the power of editing and facilities designed around them will change.”
Possibly, but I don’t believe we’ll see the end of the powerful workstation anytime soon. It’s possible that editing stations will need less powerful computers in the future, but I don’t think that’s true of all post production jobs. I don’t imagine VFX/3D work will be done on iMacs or the like for a very long time to come.
Shawn
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“I don’t see any basis for that. Given HP’s comments it sounds like it’s all up in the air depending on what gets them the most money/value.”
Well, that is the point isn’t it. Since everything is up in the air, my point is just as valid as yours. Again, if HP spins off PSG, there’s no way to know which parts of that group will go. My bet is that enterpise level/strength hardware will stay at HP.
“As noted, in the article, PCs don’t have a big margin for them. The article states: moves that will allow it to focus on the higher-margin enterprise business revolving around software, services and servers. That’s not a workstation in my mind.”
This only supports your statements if all HP PCs sell at equally low margins. If HP is doing well by selling servers and high end workstations into large customers, then my bet is that they will fold their workstation products into the server group/division.
“Maybe you’re thinking the HP Zxx line will become a server based system.”
No, I’m saying that HP has enterprise solutions for media and entertainment, which is a combination of services, hardware and software… so it’s not unreasonable to suspect that they will want to continue upgrading customers who have 1000+ server licenses and 300+ workstation seats. I just think it’s premature to imply that HP is abandoning their z series workstations. For all anyone knows, HP will continue to support their current PC customers and even sell refurbished machines into the distant future… like IBM does with some of it’s EOL PC lines.
Thanks,
Shawn
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“HP will consider a broad range of options that may include, among others, a full or partial separation of PSG from HP through a spin-off or other transaction.”
This doesn’t mean that HP is discontinuing z class workstations. I wouldn’t be very surprised if they folded their workstation product line into their entrprise business and spun off it’s consumer (PC) hardware division altogether. Something tells me that HP isn’t walking way from large post houses like WETA and Lucasfilm.
Shawn
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I’ve always enjoyed that one. I also really like the updated version… I think the hand motions really help sell it.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RXJKdh1KZ0w
Shawn
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” but I know people are suspicious of free software.”
Unfortunate, but true… I haven’t used Blender myself, but people seem to be doing good work with it.
Shawn
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“If money is no object, then I would suggest Maya for 3D work.”
Just out of curiosity, why would you suggest Maya over C4D for motion graphics work?
Thanks,
Shawn