[Shawn Miller]

“[Mitch Ives] $600 is a lot for an upgrade.”

I guess that depends on your frame of reference. If you work at all in 3D, $500-$1,200 for an update is not uncommon (msa or otherwise), and that’s (often) for just one application. I just don’t see how Adobe’s policies are any more egregious in this regard.

“[Mitch Ives] …and Lance, Steve, et al are right IMO, the 5.5 update was overpriced in my unqualified opinion…”

Doesn’t this point to the fact that the value of the Adobe Suite depends completely on what you use it for? If for instance, you only use it for Photoshop and Encore, then yes, $600.00 is steep. But for me (and many others I think), the return and tighter integration with Audition, refined support for Red files, the Warp Stabilizer tool and a bunch of smaller fixes made it well worth the price.

“I think the point you’re missing is look what FCS gave you for a $300 upgrade.”

No, I get that point. But I think it’s fair to say that it was an unusually generous upgrade… just as the final pricing for Shake was unusually generous.

Shawn

[Shawn Miller]

“[Oliver Peters]Not exactly. I’m not sure about upgrade pricing with MC,…”

Hi Oliver, if I read Lance’s comment correctly, he was talking about Media Composer exclusively…

“[Lance Bachelder]If you upgrade right now from Media Composer 5.5 to 6 (a MAJOR update!) the upgrade is about 12% of the full price!”

“[Oliver Peters]but for example, if you buy MC 6 at retail with the FCP crossgrade price ($1499), this includes MC 6, Sorenson Squeeze 8, Avid DVD and Avid FX (an OEM version of Boris RED). So it is a small suite, as well, which would be more or less equivalent to Premiere Pro + AE + Encore + AME.”

Fair enough, but the main comment I was responding to was about Adobe’s upgrade pricing:

“[Lance Bachelder]Adobe’s upgrade pricing is easily the most painful in the industry.”

I just don’t see how this statement holds up. Perhaps someone can help me out here. 🙂

Shawn

[Shawn Miller]

“If you upgrade right now from Media Composer 5.5 to 6 (a MAJOR update!) the upgrade is about 12% of the full price!”

Yes, for JUST Media Composer. If you upgrade JUST Premiere Pro to CS5.5, it starts around $400 and goes down to $200 or so, depending on what version you’re upgrading from. The MC upgrade may be 12% of the full price, but in actual numbers, it’s about the same as upgrading the entire Adobe Suite.

You’re comparing upgrade pricing of a single application (Avid MC) to an entire Suite (Adobe PP CS5.5). Again, the real value of either offering depends completely what you need the tools to do.

Thanks,

Shawn

[Shawn Miller]

“Adobe’s upgrade pricing is easily the most painful in the industry.”

I disagree, I think Adobe is easily the least expensive and highest value package on the market. For $1,600.00 you get AE, PPro, Photoshop Illustrator, Flash, Encore, Audition and a few other applications. If you own a previous version of the CS Suite, I think the upgrade price starts at $900 and goes down to $400 or so. Or you can upgrade from a single (CSx) application (Premiere, After Effects, etc) to the entire Production Premium Suite for about $1,000, I believe… going from one application to 10+. Of course, the perceived value of the CS Suite completely depends on how many of these tools are useful to you, but if you use any two of them on a regular basis, then the suite is a steal (IMO).

Comparing upgrade pricing from Avid, Sony, NextLimit, Autodesk, Eye-On, Maxon, SideFX or The Foundry to Adobe, puts Adobe in a different light.

Thanks,

Shawn

[Shawn Miller]

“Perhaps in CS6 you can combine these seventeen colour filters into one speedy interface…”

@Adobe

Please don’t… 🙂

Shawn Miller

[Shawn Miller]

“You just gave me a totally bad taste for the Adobe brand, dude. The big middle finger. Now I know how much you guys appreciate us.”

Come on, can we give Todd a break here? I don’t think “wait till NAB” is exactly over the line… but giving Adobe the middle finger because something ‘could’ be construed as slightly snarky… not exactly brimming with class IMO.

Personally, I love the fact that real Adobe employees take the time to answer questions on forums that doesn’t belong to Adobe… not exactly industry practice, but very appreciated… or at least it should be.

Shawn

[Shawn Miller]

[Shane Ross]“I for one never hear of Corel VideoStudio”

https://www.corel.com/corel/product/index.jsp?pid=prod3910160&storeKey=us&trkid=NASEMGglDM

I think it came bundled with a $75(US) video card I purchased two years ago… I never tried it though (since I already use PPro). 🙂

Shawn

[Shawn Miller]

[Shane Ross]“And what were they comparing it to?

Corel VideoStudio Pro X4 and Premiere Pro, and Sony Vegas Movie Studio HD…”

I realize that a lot of Avid and FCP 7 see PPro as something of a toy… but comparing it to Corel VideoStudio Pro and Vegas Movie Studio HD… really?

The links to other NLE reviews at the end also caught my attention:

“More Video Editor Reviews:
• Apple Final Cut Pro X 10.0.3
• CyberLink PowerDirector 10
• Adobe Premiere Elements 10
• Pixorial
• CyberLink PowerDVD 11 Ultra”

Shawn

[Shawn Miller]

“There’s nothing to prevent you from signing in to the App Store with your own ID and downloading & installing Motion on your work computer.”

Possibly… but bear in mind that a lot of companies prohibit employees from installing personal copies of software on company machines.

Shawn

[Shawn Miller]

“Not specifically Adobe, but more on Hugo here:”

Thanks Oliver, I’ll check those links out.

Shawn