Shane Ross
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Bill, the only thing I took issue with was the setup of the article, the assumptions made about editing…cutting in ways no one cuts. That’s all. You went on to defend FCX like I was attacking it, I wasn’t. I was just saying “the case he is trying to make for the magnetic timeline being superior is flawed. He’s describing a style of editing that no one does, and using that to show how FCX is better.”
that’s all.
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Where is that Reddit post? Just curious…
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[Bill Davis] ”
And Shane popped in with his hair on fire to rag on him for being clueless. “Well, he did say a lot of things about other NLEs that made no sense…assumptions that were wrong. Or, at least very poorly stated. He cleared things up on the comments in the column. But yes, he wasn’t clear. And sorry, but one big issue I have with people criticizing any NLE (including FCX, that I do defend, believe it or not) is when they falsely describe how that NLE works…or make mis-statements about how editing works.
As I said, I DID NOT have any issues with the rest of the article…all the points he made about FCX were right, spot on. But the initial statements about editing were stated wrong. And I think most people agree with me on that.
[Bill Davis] With an eye to where any “ragging” arose. “Praise for FCP X in the forum ABOUT FCP X is still the emotional trigger it’s always been.”
Wrong. I didn’t rag on FCX at all. NOT ONE BIT. Point out where I rag on FCX…go ahead. I pointed out that his assumptions about other NLEs and how they worked was wrong. THAT’S IT.
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What version do you have? Later versions, starting with MC8.x, allow you to create a custom frame size project, so you can make it whatever you want.
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And hey, look at that…a price increase. (at bottom)
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More RAM…at least 16GB. But yes, that will do fine. Now you need the external storage to hold all that media.
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[Bill Davis] “But I thought Shane’s original contention was that the timing relationship (as it relates to the tickmarks on a timeline) was functionally irrelevant. No editor worth their salt considers THAT in the slightest.
They only “see” snippets of content in relation to each other – divorced from that timekeeping. “
That is my point exactly. Often I don’t even look at the timing until I’m done cutting. And mostly that is when a producer goes, “hey, how long is Act 1 shaping up to be?” I always cut relative to the other clips, never based on the timeline time. (which, BTW, FCX does as well…has timing. The difference between it and say Avid is TRACKS, not time tics and duration…they both have that).
But EVERY editor worth their salt does pay some attention to timing when one needs to. Such as “a reel is about 20 min,” so they need to aim at that time. “A half hour show is 22 min,” so the editor needs to be mindful of the show timing. “Act 1 needs to be between 9 and 11 minutes.” So we are mindful of that. As every editor worth their salt should be, no matter WHAT they are cutting with.
But we aren’t concerned with “the music cue needs to hit 2 seconds after this moment and run for 2 min.” No…we start the cue when the moment calls for it, and end it when it needs to end. And then futz with it so that it fits within that story beat, that moment. Not exact timing.
[Bill Davis] “Which causes me to wonder, what’s the point in artificially constraining time markers on any story assembly system to a linear array of NEVER-changing tick marks. What’s the point of THAT?”
Because precise timing is needed in many cases, as I’ve outlined. Because we even need to do things like make acts end precisely at a :23 or :29 frame so the first frame of black is at :00…so the next act starts at :00. This is something that FCX does, and should do. As broadcast work is cut on FCX. YOU might not be hindered by these network requirements, but many of us are.
[Bill Davis] “What’s the justification beyond “because that’s the way we’ve always done it?””
Because networks demand it. Because knowing the duration is something most people want to know. “How long is this movie?” “Hey, how about watching this quick 5 min video with me?” “we need to make this commercial not only 1 min for the Superbowl, but also have a :30 and a :15 min version as well.”
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No…you reboot so you can run the older software. Do you have an issue with rebooting? Why do you need to have High Sierra running and FCP 7 at the same time? Just boot to ML and launch FCP 7
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Yeah, Avid has this…the ability to see the 23.98 sequence with 29.97DF timecode. It would be nice if Adobe did the same.
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