Thank you very much for your response…I was at a point of saying screw it because the eyes were tracked perfectly so it should have been a simple matter of turning them into a transparency (which was simple) and then placing the spiral dead center to the eye then making a window for the spita so that it didn’t overlay on the second spiral (v3) but I had to manually key Frame the spirals with the resize so I managed to get the effect. I was working for but not as smooth as it could have been…I will check out this fusion it sounds like a a good alternative to after effects…The reason I’m trying to Learn resolve now is because of a certain monthly fee..I’m not to fond of