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[Brett Sherman] “But I’m sure you’re right that FCP X’s layout can be improved. I just don’t think it’s awful (like FCP 7’s was).”
No one keyboard layout, no matter the app, is everything to everyone. Which is why you have something called the Command Editor?? I can either sit around and lament about how horrible every trivial everysomething is (if I have too much time on my hands) or simply change matters and get on with life. My choice. ????
And no kidding as far as 7 is concerned. Never understood why the various edit functions were on F-keys… huh? And I hardly knew anyone that even knew they existed i.e. used them because of it. Highly unintuitive.
– RK
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[Simon Ubsdell] “I’m talking about timeline zooming, not filmstrip zooming.”
Both zooms use the same shortcut. Timeline, viewer, library, event (in filmstrip). All zoom with the same shortcut. And really, technically, I’d say one could easily argue that that IS the plus key, even on the english keyboard. So yeah, ⌘- and +. Not a hard case to make in that context imho. Or would ⌘-SHIFT-= somehow make matters better, just for the sake of being “more logical” or whatever it is you’re arguing is so horrible? Somehow I highly doubt it. So yeah… I’d say cranky first world problem. ????
[Simon Ubsdell] “I thought you taught this stuff?”
Don’t recall ever saying I teach it in english.
– RK
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[Simon Ubsdell] “In FCP X it’s Cmd- and Cmd=.”
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It’s ⌘+ and ⌘- here. Just as it is with every other app I have and can think of that has a zoom of sorts. E.g. Photoshop and every version of FCP to date as far as I can recall.
Can’t say that using Q, W, E and D as the shortcuts for the main edit functions could be considered lazy either, but rather very well thought out.
– RK
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[Oliver Peters] “Without any viable upgrade path for existing work from 7 to X built into the app.”
Oh wow. That line is seriously getting so painfully old. Why not mention viable EDL and OMF, too? ????
That “viable upgrade path” was built into the app well below three months after release. So big friggen whoop that some people had to wait that oh-so-amazingly-long-time to upgrade to something they were convinced they didn’t need or even want to upgrade to anyway and continued with 6/7 for literally years after that either way. Yeah, unviable indeed. What an argument. ????????
[Oliver Peters] “but no upgrades from earlier versions for existing FCP 1-6 customers.”
Huhwha…?? How exactly do you define “upgrade”? By the price it costs to get to the current version? How else? Do you remember what previous Final Cut upgrades cost? I do. They (at least here) cost MORE than a full license of X and Motion and Compressor as of June 2011. How is that NOT an “upgrade”? Just because their was no price differentiation for new and previous users? But then I supposed you realize that X et al were moved to the MAS, in which case to date absolutely no one, including Apple, is given any type of “upgrade” option for newer versions of anything if they’re not mere point updates? It’s always a full purchase. So to want to portray that as some sort of unusual, Apple-only procedure is disingenuous at best.
Oh wait… what was Adobe’s “viable upgrade path” for CS1-6 users to CC again?? Oh… right. That’s totally different. My bad.
[Oliver Peters] “but that pretty close to killing a product.”
So by that logic I guess e.g. Screenflow was “killed” with version 5 since I had to purchase version 6 at full price if I bought it through the MAS? Got it. Well, then there are an amazing number of murdered apps out there. Hundreds if not thousands. Wow. And then apparently other apps such as DVD Studio Pro 2.0 “killed” v1.0 since it was, as with FCP X, merely a redesign. Odd how I’ve never heard about that.
Apple did not “kill” FCP, period. Tony described it perfectly imho.
– RK
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[Bill Davis] “Well, what I’m NOT doing is taking away their ability to continue working on THEIR OWN VIDEOS if they don’t renew their subscriptions.”
Exactly. Which is why it’s completely nonsensical to try and compare the two if you want to ignore that “tiny detail” which isn’t one. And as I’ve said before, you don’t remove their ability to use what they’ve learned or watch what they’ve (most likely) downloaded after opting out either. Subscription is not subscription is not subscription.
– RK
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[Oliver Peters] “FCPX, in fact, did not gain back the full marketshare of FCP “legacy” users.”
True. It has surpassed it a long time ago. But then that market is an entirely different one today anyway, therefore a completely futile and meaningless comparison from the get go.
No, can’t name numbers nor source, but it is in fact true. Whether it clashes with anyone’s world view or not, disbelief doesn’t change anything, sorry. Of course there are those that would brush the vast majority of those users/that market off as not anywhere near the “super-L.A.-pro” level that can be considered relevant for their so distinguished little club, but that’s beside the point. ????
– RK
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[Andrew Kimery] “Probably a minority.”
Erm…probably? ????
[Andrew Kimery] “I think most users, regardless of the program, go with the default because it’s what they learned on and they’d rather adapt to that then take the time to experiment with different layout options (even if that would be faster in the long run).”
Absolutely. Comparing completely non-standard layouts strikes me as pretty disingenuous and contrived. To want to claim that near triple the amount of buttons(!) within the default layouts alone is somehow “no more cluttered than FCP X”… wish I knew by which logic that could hold true.
And believe it or not, there’s actually a shortcut for each and every GUI area of X as well. ????
– RK
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[Jeremy Garchow] “I think it’s entirely subjective based on your footage.”
I completely agree. Neither is better or worse overall. I’ve tested repeatedly. With FCP’s own, Lock and Load and AE’s Warp Stabilizer, and was expecting FCP’s own to be the worst most of the time, also near-sightedly judging by its seeming simplicity, but far from it. In fact in some extreme cases it did decidedly better than either of the others, as well as the other way around in other cases and most of the time it could have been considered a tie. Whereby FCP’s stabilizer is the only one that works in realtime after just the one time analysis (which happens in the background, so yet another huge plus in my book) and doesn’t need re-rendering with every tiny change.
Same goes for other similar effects/plugins btw, such as FCP’s “Flow” transition and e.g. motionVFX’s mMorph. Though in that case FCP’s own did much better in most every case. Haven’t tested myself yet, but have been told PPro’s transition is also worse more often than not. So anyone claiming one particular tool is better than the other across the board, clearly hasn’t actually done the homework.
– RK
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[Oliver Peters] “I was talking about animated PSD files…”
… er, okaaaaaay. Then… go with Photoshop, yes. Clearly!
Seeing that I have no clue what “animated PSDs” are supposed to be, nor have I in 20something years of PS ever encountered one, don’t know what they’re needed for, what possible benefit, point or purpose they could have that anyone would consider making one and sending it to me… nope, I don’t know what Photo et al would or could do with one. (something tells me I don’t need to care either). So… ya got me! Go for it! PS FTW! ????
– RK
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[Oliver Peters] “If there wasn’t a need, there would be no Automatic Duck tools.”
Huh? Fascinating logic. That’s like saying it’s of dire importance that every FCP X editor know MOTION just because of XSendMotion. Or ProTools because of X2Pro. ????
[Oliver Peters] “These needed to be updated for each on-camera speaker in Photoshop. How does GIMP help me there?”
GIMP? I don’t know. I don’t use it. I use Photo. And, erm, yeah, that’s absolutely no problem whatsoever with Photo. Since when is being able to open, edit and save a PSD somehow some amazing feat?? I’ve been doing it for nearly two years now with Photo and even longer withPixelmator if needed.
– RK
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