I will try that again. I was thinking that was it before and tried with a different project but let me try it again. another good example is i have a 2 minute piece i shot on ex1 it has a small amount of graphics and music, the total size of all footage is 30 gb but the render files are 790gb i just don;t understand it , i have never had this issue before so it must be some setting or something i did , the weird things is it is not just xd cam footage even hdv footage is giving me large render files. thanks for you help i will try the re-render again if you think of anything please let me know.