Neil Goodman
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[Bill Davis] “Tag for Aggressive. RATE for Aggressive. Rate for Sad. Where does it show me SAD in your string-out? WHY DOESN”T IT? I have to squint and GUESS which is the most AGGRESSIVE asset. Why? Because only some of those concepts can be as easily attached to a traditional assembly. The same clip CERTAINLY can’t occupy ALL those same tagged folders in a traditional timeline without wasteful duplication.
“But you can tag and keyword clips in traditional NLES too. Even ones that are on a stringout. Its just not called Keywording or rating but its in there.
Make a marker on a clip in Avid – type your keyword Agressive in. Pull up the marker window – Boom – Keywords are right there. Click on one – its brings you right to the clip.
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[Bill Davis] “Neil,
Nobody is saying it is UNIQUE to X. What I’m saying is X is uniquely built in a way that greatly ENHANCES this process for me.. From the first time you confront any asset at any stage in X editing – As you start to understand the shape of and essential character of those assets – X uniquely gives you an internal tool – the keyword database – purpose designed to let you instantly select, tag, refine, notate, and SAVE your thinking about them.
Sure people did this before X. In fact there’s an argument that you can’t edit without doing it.
But X is structured into a system of tools (keywords, magnetic behavior and more) that arguably make it more intuitive, flexible and, yes, fast – in which to express and SAVE your editing ideas as you work.
Nobody has ever argued that you can’t do these things without X.
It’s the re-thinkiing that everyone found so STRANGE about X initially – that is EXACTLY what makes it fast and fluid.
It’s our old argument. X is less because it’s TOO different – verses X allows you more speed and freedom exactly because it IS different.
In the beginning, there were very few of us saying the latter. Now there are wordwide cadres of editors who are saying this.
That still says nothing about whether it will be faster or better for YOU. It just says that beneath the difference, was a lot of smart re-thinking and careful analysis by the X development team – led by Randy U – that had REASONS for the change they coded into X.
At first, MANY people couldn’t really see the value of the differences. But now that’s changed. Those of us who love it – large swaths of fellow editors worldwide now – are there with whom we can share our constant excitement about how it’s changed what we do – how we think – and how we approach our working days.
And a LOT of us find it just more fun to cut in.
I know I do.
That’s all.
“Appreciate the response.
Theres alot of things I do like about X – and I consider myself to be pretty versed in it by now. Just havent drank the kool-aid full on yet.
Theres just too many options out there at the moment that are “Normal” and do the job just as quick.
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[Bill Davis] “playing in the footage WAS editing. Making choices and judging narrative elements and SAVING those decisions – on the fly – before a timeline even existed.”
I see people say this alot when working with FCPX.
This has always been the way i worked in all NLE’s. Spot the footage – make markers – subclips, in and out selections, really whittle it down in the bins so I’m educated before i hit the timeline. I make stringout timelines too but theres alot that goes on before i get ot that point.
How is that unique to X? And what was stopping you from doing it in 7 or one of the other NLE’s?
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There are fast for sure.
My only thing is they havent had an update in almost 2 years. Kind of worries me about he commitment apple has to it. I know they cant be selling that many of them.
I just opted for a maxed 5k iMac instead because there fast enough for my needs and it seems like apple is committed to them.
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no need to take AMA files offline anymore. Just transcode all your clips AND our current sequence to whatever flavor of DNX suits you. The continue editing off the transcoded sequence.
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crazy how there’s not one NLE qualified for use yet and its been out about a month.
I just ordered a new maxed out 27inch Imac. Hopefully we get some patches from the three A’s in the next week before it arrives.
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My fav PPRO workflow enhancer is the ability to pancake timelines. Cant do that in FCPX and thats one place where PPRO excels above the others. Its doable in Avid in a different form but adobes implementation is dope.
Also, they were really the FIRST to have a edit anything, any codec, frame rate, etc in one timeline – which is very beneficial to file based workflows.
IMO the only thing FCPX did to “change the workflow” for the future is implement their lame timeline which is obviously still up for debate.
Metadata is nothing new, key-wording and search/filtering is available in the other NLE’s – they just dont call it key-wording.
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[Bill Davis] “Hit me with the top few aspects of Premiere Pro that have changed edit workflow for you in the last 3 years.”
Pancakeing timelines is one way in which way they positively changed workflow for lots of people.
They were also the first to have edit anything, in any timeline natively which explicitly helped file based workflows.
Just two off the top of my head.
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[Oliver Peters] “I would shudder to try that sort of edit in X, but maybe I’m wrong. Thoughts?”
I’ve noticed this too..
Cant keep up with a flurry of 2-5 frame cuts- alot of frames are skipped. Same edit in MC plays back as expected.
This is with prores 422 raw footage that was optimized upon ingest.
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[Chris Frantz] ” never called it stupid. It’s fine software for some use cases, just not for long form. It’s just software buddy, no need to get personally offended on its behalf. And, once again, FCP7 could handle it no problem albeit without subframe accuracy and premiere pro can handle it with subframe accuracy in just a few seconds. It’s a bug, Apple has acknowledged it. It crashes when I import broadcast ready files and try to work with them others have said similar. If you don’t have a solution, that’s ok, hopefully it will be fixed in the next release. Enjoy your weekend, relax it’s just software.”
Its the usual “your holding it wrong” bs from Bill.
excuses and excuses while not actually trying to offer a solution and furthermore, denying theres a problem.
PPRO and Avid can bring in hour long clips with 16 channels of audio and guess what – it doesnt take all night or crash the program to start working the clips.
Before you launch into defense mode – why not try the other programs and realize that this indeed possible in the other apps w/o headache.
This is a bug – no if ands or buts about it.