[Morten Carlsen]

Steve,

I dont mind being challenged in an orderly fashion. However, the minute I sense condescension – all bets are off !

[Morten Carlsen]

OK../.. For this who did not understand the meaning of my posts…

FCPx will make you CLICK a WHOLE lot less when searching for your source media. as a matter of fact it will make you click zero time to view ALL your source media… All it takes is a scroll wheel and slight mouse movements..

To those of you who misunderstood my 10 times faster… I did not actually measure the exact amount of which FCPx was faster…

It might be 100 times faster for you or even slower… 10 Times was a figure of speech… I could have used MUUUUUUCH….
But then again, then Franz would have counted the Us in mUch and deemed me a legasthenic !

[Morten Carlsen]

I take that you mean Apple and NOT adobe ?

What exactly do you mean by ‘proper’ relinking ?

I find the relinking in 10.0.6 to do what I need it to ?

[Morten Carlsen]

[Franz Bieberkopf] “That doesn’t answer the real speed question, though.

“Speed” relates to specific tasks, or general approaches. I’ve been working on the same scene assembly for over a week now – it’s been ridiculously slow. And though render speeds are slow, nothing about the NLE I’m using has had a meaningful impact on the speed of the process. This wouldn’t have been any faster in X, PPro, Avid – the issues are creative.”

Exactly… And an NLE which is “hiding” its Source Media from its operator is getting in the way of being creative.

If you had cared to read my post in full… You would have NOT bitten so tightly on the 1000 clicks and 10 times faster.
You would have understood the essence of the words which IS – LESS CLICKS and FASTER TURNOVER…

I..e… You tell someone in a bar “I’ve just seen Stevie Wonder Eyeballing Esther Williams” the guy goes “Get out a here…”
The guy does NOT want you to actually EXIT the bar… You know, he is just making a point.

So was I with FCPx… Sadly, you are seeing what you wanna see and NOT what’s in the paragraphs. Even going to extends of suggesting my incompetence because I can work faster in FCPx..

I am 100% confident that if you would see me cutting in PPRO or any other NLE of the past, you would be quite amazed over the speed at which I can do it.
(Not trying to sound like a smart arse or nothing.) And PLEASE, dont bite down on FAST equalling Good or bad.

Speed does NOT pertain to the speed of the CPU or the App.. I count speed in years… I.e. Looking for a source file in PPRO will take you X amount of time, looking for it FCPx will take you x-10 amount of time. “Amortise” that over a year of 2 and you will be counting weeks instead of seconds.

I know you are going to smile over this and further classify me as incompetent in your book which is fine.

But please, quit the condescending tone in your text. It does absolutely no good !

[Morten Carlsen]

[Franz Bieberkopf] “Morten,

I’m always surprised by these approaches – did you really work this way? Did you never seem to wonder if there was a better way?

Select All and Drag to Sequence – 1 Click, 1 Drag.

Franz.”

Hi Franz,

well, of course I did… Instead of bins in Premiere Pro (back then) I had sequences with the clips pertaining to scenes.
Still, getting them up into the “Source Viewer” took a kkey command or a double click. I even had my own skimmer in PPRO before they added
hoover scrub or FCPx came about. I had that programmed via apple script and system events. I have misused Premiere Pro and AMC to make it work more visually long before FCPx came about… That is WHY I switched to FCPx when it came about.

[Morten Carlsen]

I had above system like you only with a GTX285 Card inside. I had a RAID0 spinning drive system.
Performance in FCPx sucked and so it did on a much newer and bigger Mac Pro.

As I always do when a new MacPro pops out, I go and get it. Call me an addict. I got the Retine, 2.6 & 16GBRAM with a 512 SSD.

I tested FCPx on that… And let me tell you, it is so much faster than the MacPro. Unbelievable. I could not believe my eyes when running a project
off of the internal system drive. FullHD ProRes 4444. I can even play RAW Image Sequences. OFF THE SYSTEM DRIVE 😉

Anyway, I believe in the faster CPU and care less about size… I have a machine room in which the coomputers are residing. I took the retina and put in on top of the BIG Mac Pro, closed its lid, put the 30 Inch Cinema Display into a thunderbolt port and a 1080p monitor into the HDMI. 2nd thunderbolt port is used for an external SSD. This setup is so fast and so is FCPx. It beats any current Mac Pro regardless of RAM.

Ok.. After this very long anecdote – Here is my answer to your question. Yes, you CPU is too slow. 😉
Wish I could say, buy more RAM – put an SSD inside… But if I did that you would be wasting your money.

QUite a few of my colleagues were laughing as I told them the story above… Their smile quickly vanished when they saw it for real. The Retina is IMO the first super computer Apple has ever built and I have been using Apple since 1995

[Morten Carlsen]

[Aindreas Gallagher] “So then why exactly do we have automatically mapped parent child relationships off the primary? what exactly is that for? given edits change constantly? Its not a situation where we are re-mapping the alpha input on a complex composite?

Do you see what I am getting at?

Isn’t this ridiculously over-engineered?”

HI There,

I do see what you are getting at. I am not sure that look that deeply under the hood in regards to Mr. Timeline.
Not sure either, that I use the “Timeline” the way Apple Engineers intended. I use it the way that it makes sense to me.
What I love about it is that with FCPx I can make the timeline work in so many different ways that only my own creativity puts a sock to it 😉
Cant say that with other NLEs. As a matter of fact and I dont say this just to oppose, after using FCPx 18 Months and occasionally editing in PPRO or AMC (Just not to get too rusty should I cut in a foreign facility) those NLEs are more confining work-wise than FCPx.

I think the biggest problem folks used to the “older” NLEs are having with FCPx’s timeline is that they (I was too) treat it as if it was a “normal” timeline. It looks like a normal timeline but it is extremely far from being it 😉

I remember cursing and that loudly over the magnetic timeline, connections moving when trimming etc etc…. It drove me nuts the first two days.. Then I said to myself, OK… FORGET the “old” timeline and try making the “new” work – get your head around it” –

And thats what I did. And today I embrace it 100% and I have re-based my cutting style around it. And while I used to be considered a very fast cutter – the speed at which I can cut in FCPx is so superior that only the CPU speed puts a limit to it. 3 days ago I was cutting in PPRO (love the CUDA real-time rendering) after having not used it for about 3 months. I still know all my short keys, tricks etc… I started cutting and for the first time I seriously realized HOW great the FCPx & its timeline is… Doing generic tasks like trim, roll, ripple etc which I used to think were fast before the days of FCPx all of a sudden seemed slow and non intuitive. In the music video I did it called for a lot of retiming. I have gotten so accustomed to the quality of Optical Flow in FCPX and in PPRO all (unless I go to AE) is the dull frame blend which looks horrible in my eyes…Sure adobe gives you great ways of retiming but you HAVE to roundtrip to AE and although this is made VERY easy in CS6 it is still much faster NOT having to roundtrip. Optical Flow would be ONE very very big reason for me to work in FCPX even if I would hate its timeline concepts which I dont 😉

So, without even knowing it, I had gotten so accustomed to the timeline concept of FCPx that I was seriously missing it cutting in an old-time NLE.

Still – to me the single most important thing is getting the job done. I am a highly visual guy and what makes FCPx the superior choice to me, is the Event Library and its concept. I am a big fan of getting to know my material and “sort on the run” — I am also REALLY big on saving time.

Imagine a project with about a 1000 media files. In a normal NLE that would take about 1000 double clicks alone to view them. In FPCx ZERO. I can see them all at a glance a skim thru them without clicking. Creating Smart-FIlters and Keywords are making way for way of sorting previously unthinkable. I remember the days where sorting/naming/logging took days for a medium sized project and it was something I dreaded every time. With FCPx this process is more or less eliminated. I go thru the source media of 1000 files in about 2 hours and after that I have tagged it in so many ways that I can sort my whole event library 10 different ways if I want to. The metadata system (roles in particular) is just so darn brilliant… Doing this in any other NLE is making me vomit 😉

PC VS Mac – DAW VS DAW or NLE VS NLE – I use and make money with all 3… I hate wars like “My Software is a better choice than yours” or Protools is better than Logic (It is ;-))) ! They are all just ideas of how to accomplish a given task… I would NOT want to ever cut in Sony Vegas ever again but I would rather cut in Sony Vegas than not cut at all 😉

To be able to really judge (meant literally) a software-concept one must get really acquainted with it ! Most folks driving frustration towards FCPx are FCP users wanting FCPx to be an update to FCP

[Morten Carlsen]

[Aindreas Gallagher] “Its not so much that I don’t want FCPX to succeed, it’s that I don’t think it should. Its bad candy.”

I hated FCP7. Used Premiere Pro and AVID Media Composer. All NLEs (B4 FCPx) IMO had one thing in common. They were all “hiding’ the media from the visual editor. Aside from that, I thought that the NLEs were flawed in that their timeline reminded me of that of a DAW… FCPx was the first NLE that actually made a timeline dedicated to Video and NOT utilizing a DAW-Style timeline.

I can cut in any NLE out there and while I cut I care about one thing only, finding the clip I have in mind, immediately. And getting it inside the sequence.
admittedly – this process differs greatly based on which kind of project you are doing; Music Video Style, Documentary or Feature Film… Be that as it may, there is nothing out there which offers better tagging or “Media Transparency” than FCPx. And getting it into the timeline is simply put faster than anything around..
Mind you, that I have been editing on NLE since a long time and first time I got my hands on FCPx I was totally thrown off…. However, me not being ignorant thought to myself, give it a chance… And i started fooling about with it after work…. And the more I delved in, the more I saw the opportunity of speeding up my workflow significantly… Today after many months of getting to know it, I can say that I am able to finish an identical project about 10 times faster in FCPx than any of the other NLEs i had been working with prior…

One huge part of FCPx’s speed is the ability of compositing and color correcting inside of FCPx… Motion X is basically a plug-in for FCPx.. You can save your whole workflow of grading in motion and load it up inside FCPx as a plug-in.. That made FCPx my new best friend.. I’ve been grading in everything ;tween AMC, Resolve, AE, Speedgrade, colour etc…. Typically my grading involves loads of compositing. All which is totally undoable in any other NLE… FCPx makes it 100% possible.. FCPx is a color grader’s dream come true.. Surely, there are things for which I render a prores 4444 and go to AE…

And one thing that should NOT be forgotten is the Optical Flow of retiming in FCPx… It is the best out there, bar none… Works true wonders and easily outperforms AE’s Time Warp for generic tasks…

In my humble opinion which is not so humble at all…. FCPx is the most misunderstood app to ever surface a computer.. If folks would give it a real shot, they would be dropping jaws… Been using it 18 MOnths… And I cannot remember with any other NLE that me or my partner ever bursting out with “Man, I just love this app” so many times per day…. And I’ve been editing many years…

Be that as it may, what ever gets the job done.. It is “just” a software……

[Morten Carlsen]

[Walter Soyka] “But regardless, what does the author’s opinion on FCPX have to do with his report, supposedly from former employees, that there are only two developers left on the team, with no plans to rehire? That’s either factually true or not.”

Gerhard Lengeling and Chris Adams wrote Logic (notator back then) Prior came up with the x-key and is the brain that keeps the software going. How many programmers does one need to write a great app…? You can outsource code… AVID does with protools. And they are NOT alone.

Perhaps the author got the inside from former employees perhaps he did not… Still, someone calling himself a protools expert should abide by facts and NOT yada yada… And until he’s got proof which he is willing to share the article is non-sense that should be regarded as such…

Those in the know, are either under NDAs and WONT talk or facing legal issues if mumbling. So that article IMO is not worth the webspace 😉

[Morten Carlsen]

[Walter Soyka] “The linked article within this linked article offers a bit more in-depth hearsay:

https://www.pro-tools-expert.com/home-page/2012/11/25/apple-pro-audio-applic...”

That was the article to which I was referring… Utterly non-sense, spoken as if that someone was indeed someone spending time programming his website and NOT delving into facts. Calling FCPx a scale-down is about the dumbest and most untrue comparison I have heard in a very long time. Such a claim truly comes from someone who believes the hype rather than pioneering the facts.