Marvin Holdman
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Well why would you need pro-res to post to youtube?
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Sorry… I’ll turn off the sarcasm machine now.
I’m not sure as to the answer of your question. We did the “non-recomended” install and had FCS and FCPX on the same boot. I think many folks that use pro-res did this as well. I’m not sure many of the new users for FCPX have a care about accessing this codec, as it seems to be regarded as “old school” for them. Right or wrong, this just doesn’t seem like anything of interest to the apparent target market that Apple is seeking. That being said, we are really wondering…
What is the future of pro-res?
This is another reason we’re still hanging on here; to try and determine it’s fate. Our facility currently masters to pro-res and we’re wondering just how long this is going to be a feasibility. Granted, you can fairly quickly convert your inventory from one flavor to another, we don’t think it’s wise to do this on a frequent basis due to quality issues with repeated transcoding. That being said, pro-res gives us our best “bang for the buck” and we have a significant inventory already accumulated in this format.
Not trying to hijack your question, just adding a thought for discussion. I know it’s been discussed before, but perhaps the last couple of weeks might have added some more information to the topic.
In all seriousness, you ask a great question.
Marvin Holdman
Production Manager
Tourist Network
8317 Front Beach Rd, Suite 23
Panama City Beach, Fl
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Sorry, you are absolutely correct. I guess the point I was trying to make citing these examples is that each of them had some very good features that showed up in later products that eventually were a success, even though they were regarded as failures from the business side. Although Next wasn’t an “Apple” product, I tend to lump it into Apple history because of Jobs association. I appreciate the specifics on it’s history.
Marvin Holdman
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Tourist Network
8317 Front Beach Rd, Suite 23
Panama City Beach, Fl
phone 850-234-2773 ext. 128
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I really can’t help but wonder if they are taking their time to try and decide which course to take with this product. Perhaps we’ll see another MAJOR course change? Would certainly make sense if they are taking the “let’s throw it out there and see what happens” approach to this product. That being said, I really wonder if some of the delays are simply them deciding if there is any future in this particular application?
Sure the framework is enticing, BUT they’ve sullied their credibility with their customers and the new ones that are coming on probably aren’t going to have any more potential than they would have if they simply made this a iMovie Pro product. One would have to wonder why they didn’t just put this out that as just that, and simply abandon their pro applications division completely? For most, a few of the features from FCPX incorporated in the existing iMovie would have provided much more enticement for the casual user to buy into. The thought that they can somehow “merge” the framework from iMovie/iPhoto/Garage Band into a “professional” product seems to be wishful thinking from some very naive decision makers.
Perhaps they are now thinking of EOL’ing FCPX? Going the route of Newton, Next and The Cube? Never widely accepted and quietly taken off the market? Some of the “awesome” parts of them re-appearing later in a more viable product? Actually, this kind of gives some hope.
Marvin Holdman
Production Manager
Tourist Network
8317 Front Beach Rd, Suite 23
Panama City Beach, Fl
phone 850-234-2773 ext. 128
cell 850-585-9667
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“Few”
Apparently it means many things to many people.
As in… we may have lost a “few” customers in this FCPX transition thing. Transposing that ratio, they’re still weeks ahead of schedule.
Marvin Holdman
Production Manager
Tourist Network
8317 Front Beach Rd, Suite 23
Panama City Beach, Fl
phone 850-234-2773 ext. 128
cell 850-585-9667
skype username – vidmarv -
[CRAIG SEEMAN] “Different development teams, different issues and, yes, Lion impacts far more people than FCPX.”
Sadly, this re-enforces a point that was made MANY months before they released FCPX. I can remember when they announced a major staff cut to the FCS team. At the time, many said it was a sign of “end times” for Apple and NLE’s. Although I didn’t want to believe it, I would say those folks were right now.
The point is, even though the teams are different, if Apple deemed this an important project, they would commit resources to support it. By all appearances they have not. Yes, Lion is a much broader user base, and it’s a MUCH more complex program. If Apple were serious about building an enterprise level NLE product, they would have committed the staff to make this happen. Apparently, they have not.
My point is, while there certainly is promise to the framework the commitment to follow through in a timely manner is not indicative of a company serious about supporting this product as anything other than a “toy”. I would imagine you might say, “they are on their own timetable, look at other product developments like iPhone”. I wouldn’t disagree, except before iPhone there wasn’t an established user base. Perhaps it will SLOWLY evolve into something one day, but other companies that stake their livelihood on building enterprise solutions will incorporate all of this “good framework” into their products too. In the end, the time you spend working with functional “today” products seems like it will pay off better than any investment in the “future” of this thing.
So why would anyone stick around and argue the point? I’m only here playing devils advocate to see if maybe, just maybe Apple will get their head out of their collective tush and create something that might be viable. It’s just that as more and more time passes, it becomes clearer and clearer that this is going nowhere. My only question at this point is how much longer is it worth even talking about all this? I hit this forum with less and less frequency only to find that nothing has changed, and there doesn’t seem to be any real follow up to Apple’s FAQ’s. Will they come? Sure. But when they get here, will they even matter any more?
Marvin Holdman
Production Manager
Tourist Network
8317 Front Beach Rd, Suite 23
Panama City Beach, Fl
phone 850-234-2773 ext. 128
cell 850-585-9667
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Hmmm, already had an update to Lion, and it was released after FCPX. Because Apple is stubbornly mute on the issue, I think most take the lack of even a minor incremental release alongside the near immediate bug fix for Lion as the closest thing we can use to determine their regard for the importance of their FCPX users.
I think the inference from the FAQ was that MANY of the problems that plague this program would be addressed by now. Hell, we aren’t even seeing a START at this point. I say that because of the emphasis placed on “third party developers” to alleviate many of the problems. Perhaps they are allowing a head start for select vendors, but I don’t see that as pulling them out of this tailspin, as there really isn’t the diversity of third party development needed to get this application even CLOSE to the functionality it’s EOL’d predecessor.
It would appear that FCPX has all the indications of a program that is dying in the starting block. As many have pointed out, competing NLE’s are moving forward with their development cycles as well and it’s only logical to believe they will take the “awesome” parts of FCPX and incorporate them into their products. One might assume that by the time Apple gets around to fleshing out this app, the other NLE’s will be use that much father ahead.
Wish it wasn’t so, but every day that goes by seems to render FCPX that much more inconsequential… other than it being a stellar example of how to ROYALLY tarnish brand image. In that regard, it’s an “awesome” success.
Marvin Holdman
Production Manager
Tourist Network
8317 Front Beach Rd, Suite 23
Panama City Beach, Fl
phone 850-234-2773 ext. 128
cell 850-585-9667
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“Now onto iPhones, which perhaps are the best device, but are great. ”
Sorry… should read, “Now onto iPhones, which perhaps AREN’T the best device, but are great. ”
Saving my rubles for proof-reader for my forum post.
🙂
Marvin Holdman
Production Manager
Tourist Network
8317 Front Beach Rd, Suite 23
Panama City Beach, Fl
phone 850-234-2773 ext. 128
cell 850-585-9667
skype username – vidmarv -
I could see perhaps some VPN scenario to edit off of a workstation (by proxy) as a sort of “do-able” kind of iPad solution, but frankly it’s not these devices that are the holdup. It’s the level of connectivity that will make it feasible and as of now, I don’t see any “fiber to your door” happening, nor do I anytime soon. Despite device capability, this is essential.
At the end of it, I would say this…
“just because you can, doesn’t mean you should”.
Can I see the potential? Sure. But it’s going to be a long while before it’s practical and I’d have to wonder exactly what advantage you would gain from all the extra set-up, expense and hardware?
As to what you can and can’t do with the iPad…
My wife has one. While it’s cool, and has some function, I don’t see a bunch of people who WORK abandoning their laptops for this device. It’s not that you couldn’t do the work on a “pad” device, it’s just that it’s faster, more practical and easier to do on the form factor of a laptop. What I’m talking about is the majority of actual work that is done. Word documents, spreadsheets, ect. Sure, it’s great to have it as a reader, but creating these documents on a “pad” gadget is harder. Yes, you can add a bluetooth keyboard, but by the time you do that, you’re just as better off having at least a netbook.
The “pad” devices have their place, but they are far from “revolutionary”. Take it from someone who has used Palm’s for YEARS. Now onto iPhones, which perhaps are the best device, but are great.
Do you really do THAT much work that would require such a high degree of mobility? I can see the advantage in some limited circumstances, but as SOP I see the form factor as workflow inhibited. Seems most other working professionals that I’ve read on this forum seem to agree. The majority seem to express this in an impersonal manner. As has been pointed out in a previous post… this is a debate forum.
That being said, what “youngster” practices are you advocating? A blind rush to new technology for the simple sake of change? I think most would prefer to see those with the time/money explore the bleeding edge before adaptation. That’s nothing new. Just because folks don’t have an interest in it at the moment doesn’t mean they never will. People change, even “old farts”.
Marvin Holdman
Production Manager
Tourist Network
8317 Front Beach Rd, Suite 23
Panama City Beach, Fl
phone 850-234-2773 ext. 128
cell 850-585-9667
skype username – vidmarv -
Funny thing about youngsters and coattails…
Let’s talk about one specific example of how an “old fart” embraces the “new way of thinking”. I’ve been watching DSLR video for a couple of years now. Fantastic stuff it is, but what a pain to shoot with that form factor. Have said for a number of years that it’s simply an impractical media for any real work. By that, I mean work at the volume and speed that is necessary to sustain an income. A couple of weeks ago, we finally acquired a Sony F3. Correct form factor for the job and the same technology that makes DSLR video an advantage (large single sensor). Did I dismiss the practicality of this “new technology” (DSLR video)? Yes, for our business. Did I completely ignore it? No, we migrated to it once the “youngsters” showed enough interest that the equipment vendors developed a feasible product.
Much the same with this whole FCPX. I have downloaded it, used it briefly and determined that it is not practical for our workflow. Does it have promise? Sure. But we’re not going to spend our valuable time “embracing” this new product, or for that matter “imagining” what it might be. If you have time for that, great, go for it. But understand that a great many folks here are making a living at this. When you you hear someone say, “I don’t have time to imagine how great it could be”, you need to understand that comment is NOT directed to you.
Re-reading all your post, it would seem that you perceive every comment as directed at you. Trust me, it’s not. It’s about whether/when/if this software will ever become a viable product. At this point, I see just as much “promise” in several other NLE packages, ALL with the ability to sustain a business. FCPX? Not so much.
So….
Aside from what “might be”, what is your opinion of what “is” currently? More to the point, why should we spend any more than a quick day of play with this software now? Today, at this point? What do I gain by having an in depth knowledge of what the novice/prosumer/casual user has on their computer?
Is THIS your point;
“Current working Professionals should devote a significant portion of their focus to an in depth study of the implications and usage of FCPX in order to understand where the youngsters are heading with this.”
Marvin Holdman
Production Manager
Tourist Network
8317 Front Beach Rd, Suite 23
Panama City Beach, Fl
phone 850-234-2773 ext. 128
cell 850-585-9667
skype username – vidmarv -
Wow.
Sorry, thought I was talking to a petulant youngster. Looks like you’ve turned out to be one of us “grumpy old farts”.
Imagine that…
Pot, meet kettle.
Apparently your point is a bit lost in the subterfuge. You’re saying you’re actually USING this crapware for anything beyond your home videos? (or even that?)
Oh yeah… it’s GOING to be great if only we had vision. And the API’s will be out before the summer is over and they’ll be a rush of third party vendors to restore functionality, and all the bugs will be fixed quickly, and the check really IS in the mail, right?
Since you’re lighting into someone who started off by simply disagreeing with you, why don’t you take a minute and make a point, rather than continuing the “old fart grumpiness”?
Just saying.
Marvin Holdman
Production Manager
Tourist Network
8317 Front Beach Rd, Suite 23
Panama City Beach, Fl
phone 850-234-2773 ext. 128
cell 850-585-9667
skype username – vidmarv