[Mark Dobson]

Whilst low compared to what you paid for it originally £450 seems like a good price for a 7 year old machine.

I recently bought an iMac replacing a 2008 Quadcore with a Radeon 5770 graphic card,22Gbs of Ram etc etc and I’ve decided to hang onto it as a back up machine.

Choosing the right time to sell is a black art that I’ve never attained and my house is full of superseded technology, camcorders ( remember Hi8? ) cassette tape decks, VHS Video and U/Matic and also reel to reel tape recorders. If you haven’t got the time or inclination to digitise old archive material you have to hang onto these machines.

[Mark Dobson]

Well spotted Andy ,

But I do like the idea of a new strand of names, Mounting Stallion, Pony, Shirehorse . . . . . .

[Mark Dobson]

[Sandeep Sajeev] “Michael Wohls series was very comprehensive for me, coming from FCP legacy. I actually purchased his videos, Ripples and Larry Jordan’s. I’d rate them as a Wohl first, Ripple second and Larry a very very distant third.”

I’d totally agree with Sandeep.

Michael Wohl has a quick brain, doesn’t repeat himself ( he understands that you can watch things more than once)

https://www.macprovideo.com/about/trainers/michaelWohl

The Macprovideo player goes onto an iphone or iPad as well as the desktop.

If you don’t want to spend any money at Izzy video has done a complete basic course –

https://www.izzyvideo.com/final-cut-pro-x-tutorial/

And again a huge free resource (Steve Martin and Mark Spencer)

https://www.pixelcorps.tv/macbreak_studio?p=0

And there is a lot of stuff in the Cow training archive

[Mark Dobson]

What about FCPX anywhere?

All you need is a Macbook pro and if necessary a small thunderbolt drive. An enormous amount of editors have no need to either work ‘anywhere’ or edit collaboratively.

BOB ZELIN – “Anyone that can afford it will buy Adobe Anywhere, and anyone that has Adobe Anywhere will never use any other editing software other than what Adobe provides – even if they hate it – because Adobe Anywhere is just too important of a product. Once your facility owns Adobe Anywhere, everyone can do everything, all at full media resolution, on a laptop sitting at Starbucks Coffee.

It works by streaming the video to you, not by creating proxy files. All you need is the server setup that is powerful enough to feed your users. ”

Bob talk about organisations such as CNN working in the field with Adobe Anywhere and I can sort of see it working within a large company although you would need the a blisteringly fast and stable internet connection. But editing in Starbucks doesn’t really stack up unless you are slamming shots together for a news piece. I would need somewhere quieter to work as I see editing as primarily a mental process obviously aided by any of the leading NLEs available.

“As this product becomes more accessible to the regular production and post production companies, the only products that will survive will be the ones that tie in with Adobe Anywhere.”

Whilst I appreciate Bob’s enthusiasm that seems like a rather myopic statement.

[Mark Dobson]

FUD?

We don’t know about purchase options yet. whether it’s possible to purchase , and if it is, whether it’s equitable which raises the question. Is it a fair deal?

It’s a business model.

It reverses the ‘customer is king’ equation.

The Creative Cloud is superb idea for Adobe if enough people take up the offer, and if its mandatory I guess they’ll hit their targets.

And for the customer? I don’t think its such a great idea. You are basically going to be paying over and over for the same product once you’ve been a member for 2 or 3 years.

And if you have a bad patch, a couple of bad months, you can count on the Creative Cloud being turned off because I doubt you will be able to get any concession from them, and your bank will not be meeting standing orders. If all your business is dependent on this software you won’t be able to work your way out of it and I very much doubt that the projects you’ve been working on will be backward compatible to versions of software you have in your cupboard.

If Apple were ever to try this stunt I’d switch immediately.

[Mark Dobson]

[Walter Soyka] “That’s kind of how the whole thing works. When you pay for a month, they validate your license for the month. If you don’t pay the next month, last month’s license naturally expires and they don’t re-authorize a new one.”

Yes – I understand that. There are 2 ways of doing it either on a rolling month to month basis which is considerably more than on a yearly ( pay monthly ) agreement.

If you decide to stop the yearly contract before it’s conclusion you need to pay 50% of the remaining balance.

If you take out an annual agreement and then decide that you want to buy the product you will not get any reduction and you will need to pay 50% of the outstanding yearly agreement.

If you live in the UK you pay Irish VAT? What- does that mean that they are avoiding UK Corporate Tax rules?

[Mark Dobson]

[Walter Soyka] “From the Creative Cloud FAQ [link]:
Do I need ongoing Internet access to use my Creative Suite applications?
Because your Creative Suite applications are installed directly on your computer, you will not need an ongoing Internet connection to use them on a daily basis. However, you will need to be online when you install and license your software, and at least once every 30 days thereafter. The software will alert you when you need to connect to the Internet for a license status check.”

So on top of checking whether your payment has hit their account they need to check the licence status as well? They are getting as bossy as the UK Government.

[Mark Dobson]

[Herb Sevush] “Adobe has stated, over and over, that version 7 will be available with a perpetual license. If Apple is to be believed about the upcoming Mac Pro, then Adobe should be believed about that.”

Oh Ok! That’s reassuring because my business model is buy my equipment, computers, software outright, and recoup their cost within a given period and then make a profit through using them. Bigger companies might prefer to go down the leasing route.

[Mark Dobson]

[Aindreas Gallagher] “What’s worse, if you think about it this way – the files, the personal output you create are your own right? but if for any reason the financial agreement is suspended – the personal intellectual copyright material you have created can never be opened or modified again.”

Aindreas – I agree with you!

It’s not only the financial agreement it’s also dependent on having an ongoing online connection. I simply can’t see, even in the advanced capitalist sector of the world we live in, how Adobe can justify this business model.

Could this be a direction that Apple could expand upon?

[Mark Dobson]

[Joseph W. Bourke] “I’m all for the perpetual license – I like to have the discs on my desk, just in case…but we can’t cry foul until the ball has been thrown (another useless sports analogy).”

Undoubtably the software is top notch, and undoubtably Premiere Pro has become the default NLE for FCP7 users who want to carry on in the same paradigm, but surely with your discs on your desktop you will have no need for the Creative Cloud?, of setting up a perpetual standing order to Adobe, of needing to receive online accreditation every month, or is that the only way to get these new software versions or updates?