Kelly Johnson
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You can command click to get out of the text frame and then any of the normal keyshort cuts will work to select the tools..
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As for the truncating, that’s probably related to afb versus smb reasons. That’s at the OS level and not AE. We get that at the office when trying to copy files from/to our Macs on OSX and through a Microsoft Exchange Server.
Are the archives on an Exchange server?
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Under File, choose New.
A window will pop up which has the boxes for you to enter the dimensions you’ll need. If the specs are for 4 and 5/8″ by 4 and 15/16″, then just put 4.625in in the width and 4.9375in in the height box.
You don’t have to enter a bleed or slug info. You can uncheck the “Facing Pages” option, and either enter 0 into all the margin boxes or enter whatever you’d like. If you have an image that is to bleed, just pull the picture frame out .125″ (1/8) past all the edges.
Is there something not working the way it supposed to?
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I’m not using InDesignCS2 right now, but I’ve seen that same thing in InDesignCS. There is a preference and unbelievably, I can’t recall what it is at the moment but anytime you scale a converted and somtimes imported type frame instead of actually assigning a new font size you get those two different measurements.
The difference between the two numbers shows the points that have been added/subtracted. If you have 14 showing in the brackets and you have 12 showing, the difference of 2pt is what you can ‘think in’ rather than actually thinking 12pt.
Style sheets always have a normal by default, but you should get a message about replacing the normal ss if you are converting a Quark document that actually utilized the style sheet.
Something else you can try with linked boxes in Quark: Select All copy and then under File choose Save Text…choose Story (if applicable) and save it as .rtf Rich Text Format.
When you import the copy into InDesignCS, it retains all the character and paragraph formatting, but you don’t actually get the stylesheets added.
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It’s certainly possible though how much formatting is supported via RTF I’m not sure.
I’ve tried this with Quark 6.5 documents (Save Text as) and it’s worked fine, but the formatting that was retained once imported into CS was really just font size, face, color and basic paragraph formatting such as hard returns, leading and indents.
The real polishing (H&J’s, justification attributes etc) was all done in CS.
But, that will be a great way to get into CS2.
Have fun!
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The points you mention about Word are almost the only points that make Word useful at all! Though, coming from a strictly print/advertising/design background, I may be bias.
I would weigh the time for learning the program. The biggest benefit I see with InDesign is the control over typography.
Though Quark is perfectly capable, once you’re up to speed with InDesign, Quark just seems like a shareware app! That may be a little harsh, but even with InDesign CS, being able to interactively change glyph scaling, letter spacing and word spacing (not the tracking and kerning) even to negative figures is my favorite item.
I would offer that your ability to dive-in and learn the basics would be the biggest consideration. If you have the time to dedicate to start learning InDesign CS (or CS2…at this point, CS is perfectly fine and will allow you all you need) then it will serve you well in the future.
The “type to table” and vice versa might be really useful in your thesis. Creating nice looking tables from text (whether space/tab delimited) and actually being able to go back to straight type is pretty handy and must superior to the plug-ins offered in Quark..(let’s not even blush about the Table tool in Quark)
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Normally, in InDesign whatever resolution you import images as is the resolution they will print at unless one of two things happen. Either you make a pdf file and specify resolution for the file, or at the second pre-press stage, the RIP, parameters are set for resolution. (this being done at the printer/output bureau and could include the addressability of an image setter such as lhe Linotronic HELL machine.
The other thing is to make sure your images in Photoshop CS have ‘square’ pixels chosen in the bottom pop-up window. That can cause a wrong-way print image where it appears squashed. But, your squashed pictures seem to be the result of resolution so that leads me to believe it’s possibly related to the addressability of the imagesetter you’re using to create the film.
Pronto Plates should be correct as to the dimensions of your file. They get imaged from your front-end software and the laser printer you’re using.
I would create a file at both 72 dpi and 300 dpi and create a test pronto plate from InDesign with both images output side-by-side. Your Printer should be able to suggest the solution because it sounds as if the mixing of the Pronto Plates the the ‘normal’ plates/negatives they are creating are not gelling and it is something at that point that is causing the problem.
I’ll see what else I can find.
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They can be on either, but putting them on the master page keeps them “locked” by default. Anything you want to remove from the master pages via a normal page, Shift+command+ click on the item and it will be released.
The other tip you’re referring to was the one I had mentioned when using the jump feature, a saving grace for us in publishing.
Put a small text frame with “Next page number” character and then link (thread) the overflow to another text frame on any other page and that number will automatically change to reflect.
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Well, you set an expert in Quark next to an expert in InDesign and have them layout the same page with the same copy and images…you’ll get two pages of work done. However, the type setting will be far superior in the InDesign layout and will have been accomplished much faster.
At the very least, being able to instanstly/dynamically alter/change and apply new justification settings to a single paragraph is beyond Quark and many other apps. Oh, you can do it in Quark, but you have to bring up the h&j’s palette, make the changes, save them and apply them to see what happens. THEN, you go back and do it again until you get what you want. That’s a huge time saver in InDesign for actual experts and power users and that alone is worth the switch. (Yes, you can flow copy among multiple pages in InDesign without a plug-in..as an added aside)
Kerning/tracking are about as fast in each, but the Adobe type engine is just better because of how it reads the metrics of a font file. Rivers and gaps you can park your mouse in run amok throughout so many of the ads and newspapers created today because so many ‘designers’ are just slamming copy in, picking a font and alignment and that’s it.
Let alone the superior drawing capabilities within InDesign, the (though simple) effects for images and vector stuff like transparency…oh, and don’t forget all the preset PDF exports which can render Distiller useless depending on your workflow.
It takes a little time. If you’re thrown into a work flow that has deadlines, after about two weeks the benefits are more than apparent.
Quark becomes akin to a super ‘shareware’ app more than ever.
(I will say that I still use Quark when necessary….crap in-house art dept send us shoddy ads for publication and we have to fix them..and Quark is a nice app, but InDesign does more, is more and will be more in the future.
That’s my 3 cents.
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Hi Richard-
I work for a custom publisher and we have converted three of the main four pubs we produce into InDesignCS files.I would suggest first getting a general design sketched out with all tech components: page numbers, ‘live area’ guides, margins, folio’s, etc. The reason being, once you get into putting content in, when you’re working in preview mode all the guides and frame edges and such can lead to a messy screen. Yes, everything is under your control, but I’ve found that elements that were included on Master pages ‘just in case we….” only serve to clutter the visual and, in the long run add to the file size. (If only a few K per document…but after a years worth of time…it all adds up)
Once you have the basics figured out, create a new document at the final/trim size. So, if you’re going tabloid make it 11″x17″ and for general guides that even the most thumb-endowed printers can handle, set margins at .25″ all the way around. That will give you a quarter inch of white space around the entire page. For Bleed, enter .125″ That’s been the standard amount of area for bleed in the US for sometime. Bleed will be where the frames of pictures or ads that are supposed to fill the page will need to extend to.
I would recommend NOT choosing “Master Text Frame” in the set up. Especially if you are going to have multiple story items on a page. It depends on your design, but when you want to jump stories to continue in a latter part of the newspaper or even just over to the next page, you’ll need multiple text frames anyway so it’s just easier to manage text frames as you need them. As for facing pages, it may also be easier not to select that if you’re not comfortable moving through multi-page documents. Just remember to keep page count divisble by four.
Auto page numbering and previous/next page number are invaluable for a newspaper/magazine. Go to the master page and create your folio. Control/right click and select Insert Special Character then Auto Page number. That will change as you add/delete pages. If you have stories that jump from one page to another, draw a text frame across the bottom of the text frame holding the content that needs to jump. Type “continued on” or whatever and then control/right click…Insert Special Character and choose Next Page” Then, go to whatever page will hold the continuing story, draw the text frame, draw another text frame much smaller that overlaps the one you just made and enter “continued from” or whatever and then Insert the Previous Page.
Thread the story from the first page into the second and the numbers will automatically appear! The great thing here is that as you move, add or delete pages, those numbers will change accordingly so you don’t have to worry about incorrect page jumps.
Hope these tips help.