so i think i figured it out – my problem has been that i just don’t feel like i’ve ever been able to get control of the software, i always have to settle for a jiggle or an extruding polygon or something – I think it has to do with a couple things – one, i really have not had luck on tutorials online – i learn fast if i have an example to reference – last night i found the c4dcafe video tutorials and watched a ton of them, i’m going to go tonight and watch a ton more – that will be a part of the solution; I also think that it’s important for me to complete more projects and not give up as easily…i’m going to start posting projects online and get some feedback, so expect to start hearing from me more.