Jim Wiseman
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Funny, Andrew, I feel a kinship with those 20 somethings who had just gotten into FCP7 only to have it dropped by Apple. Adrift. Just like I felt after heavily getting into Premiere Pro CS6 only to have Adobe drop the “rent or your projects disappear” bomb on us. Pay for as long as you want to be able to edit, or gone as soon as you stop. I can only describe it as a sense of betrayal given the change of approach I had to take to avoid it. Not to mention the waste of time and money purchasing CS packages and learning them for years. I also don’t think people now in high school or early in their college years will have the problem with FCPX that those who had already learned the earlier paradigm might have had. It is all new to them.
Like those 20 somethings, I have gone back to my other NLE’s as a stop gap, but fully intend to replace them with FCPX as soon as I am competent in it, which should be shortly. There is a wealth of excellent training out there, and I have acquired it and am feeling quite comfortable with FCP. About to enter into several years of documentary projects that would have probably been done on Premiere. Very happy that FCPX is available and is doing what I need it to do in an enjoyable way. It is well suited to that type of production.
BTW, we are talking about editing systems, NLE’s, not pianos or theramins or automobiles. These comparisons seem rather childish to me, but I will throw one last one out there.
When I open my garage, I want the car to be there, paid for, and not repossessed by the leasing company.
Jim Wiseman
Sony PMW-EX1, Pana AJ-D810 DVCPro, DVX-100, Nikon D7000, Final Cut Pro X 10.2.2, Final Cut Studio 2 & 3, Media 100 Suite 2.1.6, Premiere Pro CS 5 5.5 and 6.0, AJA ioHD, AJA Kona LHi, Blackmagic Ultrastudio 4K, Blackmagic Teranex, Avid MC: 2013 Mac Pro Hexacore, 1TB SSD, 64GB RAM, 2-D500: Helios 2 w 2-960GB SSDs: 2012 Hexacore MacPro 3.33 Ghz, 24Gb RAM, GTX-680, 960GB SSD: Macbook Pro Retina 2015, i7, 500GB, M370X 2GB: Macbook Pro 17″ 2011 2.2 Ghz Quadcore i7 16GB RAM 250GB SSD, Multiple OWC Thunderbay 4 TB2 and eSATA QX2 RAID 5 HD systems -
That is good to hear. Used to drive me nuts.
Jim Wiseman
Sony PMW-EX1, Pana AJ-D810 DVCPro, DVX-100, Nikon D7000, Final Cut Pro X 10.2.2, Final Cut Studio 2 and 3, Media 100 Suite 2.1.6, Premiere Pro CS 5.5 and 6.0, AJA ioHD, AJA Kona LHi, Blackmagic Ultrastudio 4K, Blackmagic Teranex, Avid MC, 2013 Mac Pro Hexacore, 1TB SSD, 64GB RAM, 2-D500, Helios 2 w 2-960GB SSDs: 2012 Hexacore MacPro 3.33 Ghz, 24Gb RAM, GTX-680, 960GB SSD: Macbook Pro 17″ 2011 2.2 Ghz Quadcore i7 16GB RAM 250GB SSD, Multiple OWC Thunderbay 4 TB2 and eSATA QX2 RAID 5 HD systems -
Can’t believe multi clip relink hasn’t been addressed yet. One at a time? Not using Premiere anymore but that seemed like a glaring omission and a huge waste of effort. It was always one clip at a time when I was using it.
Jim Wiseman
Sony PMW-EX1, Pana AJ-D810 DVCPro, DVX-100, Nikon D7000, Final Cut Pro X 10.2.2, Final Cut Studio 2 and 3, Media 100 Suite 2.1.6, Premiere Pro CS 5.5 and 6.0, AJA ioHD, AJA Kona LHi, Blackmagic Ultrastudio 4K, Blackmagic Teranex, Avid MC, 2013 Mac Pro Hexacore, 1TB SSD, 64GB RAM, 2-D500, Helios 2 w 2-960GB SSDs: 2012 Hexacore MacPro 3.33 Ghz, 24Gb RAM, GTX-680, 960GB SSD: Macbook Pro 17″ 2011 2.2 Ghz Quadcore i7 16GB RAM 250GB SSD, Multiple OWC Thunderbay 4 TB2 and eSATA QX2 RAID 5 HD systems -
Yes, Andrew, I know they both (4444 and Proxy) came later, but wanted to point out the continued development. One could mention quite a bit of Adobe software that has remained moribund. Big push on Premiere these days to pick up the FCP7 people and keep subscribers happy with rental and CC, but not a lot being done with some of the other titles. The Metal demo on El Capitan at the Apple intro was the first major speed improvement I’ve seen shown in AE in a long time. Adobe is claiming up to 8x faster with Metal for realtime playback. Check it out on the Apple site stream of the event. Very impressive. Speed improvement has been the source of many complaints regarding AE here and the other board. Supposedly Adobe is paying attention to that. Maybe next release. Monopoly of a sector (mograph) is not a great thing for anyone. Changes in their print and design software has been very slow. Apple has momentum with FCPX, and I can’t see them ignoring improvements in it.
BTW, I never thought DNxHD, was as good as the highest quality ProRes. ProRes has become the standard. DNx always seemed noisier in the dark areas to me. YMMV.
Jim Wiseman
Sony PMW-EX1, Pana AJ-D810 DVCPro, DVX-100, Nikon D7000, Final Cut Pro X 10.2.2, Final Cut Studio 2 and 3, Media 100 Suite 2.1.6, Premiere Pro CS 5.5 and 6.0, AJA ioHD, AJA Kona LHi, Blackmagic Ultrastudio 4K, Blackmagic Teranex, Avid MC, 2013 Mac Pro Hexacore, 1TB SSD, 64GB RAM, 2-D500, Helios 2 w 2-960GB SSDs: 2012 Hexacore MacPro 3.33 Ghz, 24Gb RAM, GTX-680, 960GB SSD: Macbook Pro 17″ 2011 2.2 Ghz Quadcore i7 16GB RAM 250GB SSD, Multiple OWC Thunderbay 4 TB2 and eSATA QX2 RAID 5 HD systems -
XDCam working direct import from Browser with FCPX 10.2.2. EX-1 in my case. Just keep the BPAV folders intact, navigate to them and they show up as individual clips. Requires Yosemite 10.10.4 or above, I’m on 10.10.5. Re-wraps as .mov .
Jim Wiseman
Sony PMW-EX1, Pana AJ-D810 DVCPro, DVX-100, Nikon D7000, Final Cut Pro X 10.2.2, Final Cut Studio 2 and 3, Media 100 Suite 2.1.6, Premiere Pro CS 5.5 and 6.0, AJA ioHD, AJA Kona LHi, Blackmagic Ultrastudio 4K, Blackmagic Teranex, Avid MC, 2013 Mac Pro Hexacore, 1TB SSD, 64GB RAM, 2-D500, Helios 2 w 2-960GB SSDs: 2012 Hexacore MacPro 3.33 Ghz, 24Gb RAM, GTX-680, 960GB SSD: Macbook Pro 17″ 2011 2.2 Ghz Quadcore i7 16GB RAM 250GB SSD, Multiple OWC Thunderbay 4 TB2 and eSATA QX2 RAID 5 HD systems -
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Jim Wiseman
Sony PMW-EX1, Pana AJ-D810 DVCPro, DVX-100, Nikon D7000, Final Cut Pro X 10.2.2, Final Cut Studio 2 and 3, Media 100 Suite 2.1.6, Premiere Pro CS 5.5 and 6.0, AJA ioHD, AJA Kona LHi, Blackmagic Ultrastudio 4K, Blackmagic Teranex, Avid MC, 2013 Mac Pro Hexacore, 1TB SSD, 64GB RAM, 2-D500, Helios 2 w 2-960GB SSDs: 2012 Hexacore MacPro 3.33 Ghz, 24Gb RAM, GTX-680, 960GB SSD: Macbook Pro 17″ 2011 2.2 Ghz Quadcore i7 16GB RAM 250GB SSD, Multiple OWC Thunderbay 4 TB2 and eSATA QX2 RAID 5 HD systems -
I’m sure that is the case, Andrew. Adobe must be spending time on Metal coding as well. The AE demo was pretty convincing. I think both companies will be spending time on coding for Metal that will have big payoffs but will also have to give up engineering time that could be used to develop new features. I just find it hard to believe that Apple, after moving to Metal, would not take advantage of it in FCPX. I also doubt that development of FCPX is not moving ahead.
Jim Wiseman
Sony PMW-EX1, Pana AJ-D810 DVCPro, DVX-100, Nikon D7000, Final Cut Pro X 10.2.2, Final Cut Studio 2 and 3, Media 100 Suite 2.1.6, Premiere Pro CS 5.5 and 6.0, AJA ioHD, AJA Kona LHi, Blackmagic Ultrastudio 4K, Blackmagic Teranex, Avid MC, 2013 Mac Pro Hexacore, 1TB SSD, 64GB RAM, 2-D500, Helios 2 w 2-960GB SSDs: 2012 Hexacore MacPro 3.33 Ghz, 24Gb RAM, GTX-680, 960GB SSD: Macbook Pro 17″ 2011 2.2 Ghz Quadcore i7 16GB RAM 250GB SSD, Multiple OWC Thunderbay 4 TB2 and eSATA QX2 RAID 5 HD systems -
That horse continues to be eating the hay, and is the only reason I dropped Premiere in the first place. Edited one project on CS6 and was looking forward to the next version. A horse that I wish I could beat to death, yet it continues to live. I’m not the only one trying to kill it.
Can’t believe that Metal wouldn’t be of great use to any app that requires rendering as FCPX certainly does. Adobe at the El Capitan event said it sped up many rendering functions in AE by 8x, which they demonstrated. For it not to be an advantage to Apple’s code in FCPX seems hard to believe. Have to admit that there will be some disruption before everything gets sorted out though. I also must admit I bought the MacBook Pro so that it would come with Yosemite, which I have debugged for my workflow. I’m sure the advantages of Metal will be more than worth it eventually.
Jim Wiseman
Sony PMW-EX1, Pana AJ-D810 DVCPro, DVX-100, Nikon D7000, Final Cut Pro X 10.2.2, Final Cut Studio 2 and 3, Media 100 Suite 2.1.6, Premiere Pro CS 5.5 and 6.0, AJA ioHD, AJA Kona LHi, Blackmagic Ultrastudio 4K, Blackmagic Teranex, Avid MC, 2013 Mac Pro Hexacore, 1TB SSD, 64GB RAM, 2-D500, Helios 2 w 2-960GB SSDs: 2012 Hexacore MacPro 3.33 Ghz, 24Gb RAM, GTX-680, 960GB SSD: Macbook Pro 17″ 2011 2.2 Ghz Quadcore i7 16GB RAM 250GB SSD, Multiple OWC Thunderbay 4 TB2 and eSATA QX2 RAID 5 HD systems -
[Oliver Peters] “While that’s true, the dynamics that affect FCP X are the same dynamics that affect Pixelmator and Serif, too. The point is, FCP X can continue to sell just fine “as is” with no new features to speak of, for the remainder of the 10-year plan.”
I really can’t see how one compares Pixelmator and Serif software with FCPX. It is much more permanently and inextricably tied to the Apple ecosystem (which I vastly prefer) than those two marginally market penetrating still image programs. I can’t believe too many people run out and buy tricked out Mac Pros or MacBook Pros to run Pixelmator. My new MacBook Pro, loaded, arrives today, BTW. Very anxious to see FCPX run on it, from what I have read, it screams. Metal is on the way with El Capitan. So much for no further development. OSX advances are automatically leveraged in FCPX, Motion, and Compressor for that matter. And as much as I respect Tim’s opinion, I’ve seen no official 10 Year Plan announced anywhere else. If it does evolve in another five years I will be happy to see where it goes.
Regarding the Elephant that is obviously taking up most of the room, the fact that FCPX is non-rental and my projects will be viable without further payment with nothing disappearing makes my choice easy. Even if I didn’t prefer it to Premiere.
BTW, I never used FCP7 to any extent but relied on Media 100 and Avid Media Composer, so I don’t miss it’s pay forever replacement.
[Oliver Peters] “For all we know, Apple’s plan 5 years from now might no longer include computers. It might only be cars, watches and phones.”
More likely we will see quite a few companies now making PC’s no longer in that business. Apple without computers is not going to happen. One thing you can be sure of, Apple will still be in business and one of the world’s largest, most profitable companies.
Jim Wiseman
Sony PMW-EX1, Pana AJ-D810 DVCPro, DVX-100, Nikon D7000, Final Cut Pro X 10.2.2, Final Cut Studio 2 and 3, Media 100 Suite 2.1.6, Premiere Pro CS 5.5 and 6.0, AJA ioHD, AJA Kona LHi, Blackmagic Ultrastudio 4K, Blackmagic Teranex, Avid MC, 2013 Mac Pro Hexacore, 1TB SSD, 64GB RAM, 2-D500, Helios 2 w 2-960GB SSDs: 2012 Hexacore MacPro 3.33 Ghz, 24Gb RAM, GTX-680, 960GB SSD: Macbook Pro 17″ 2011 2.2 Ghz Quadcore i7 16GB RAM 250GB SSD, Multiple OWC Thunderbay 4 TB2 and eSATA QX2 RAID 5 HD systems -
[Oliver Peters] “When I’ve spoken to various software developers who sell through the Mac App Store, they seem to plan on about 2 years of ongoing development. Then that’s it, except for maintenance releases. The reason is because there’s no more money to be had.”
I have to disagree a bit here. The universities and media departments of other schools are cranking out new young media artists and editors at a very rapid clip. The media school here at the University of Hawaii is one of the most popular programs there. I’m sure that is true all over the country. Look at the popularity of DSLR video and other affordable camera sales. This is an expanding market, not one that once you have sold an app with a specific function to the members of an existing market your sales are basically finished.
FCPX is uniquely positioned due to its affordability and ease of use to appeal to that expanding market. Not to mention the continued popularity of the Mac showing year over year growth, unlike many other manufacturers products. Apple has a good reason to keep FCPX moving ahead. It builds the brand, creates a user base, and sells computers. The dollars come from the Macs and the App Store. Can’t see FCPX compared to often single or limited function apps sold there.
Jim Wiseman
Sony PMW-EX1, Pana AJ-D810 DVCPro, DVX-100, Nikon D7000, Final Cut Pro X 10.2.1, Final Cut Studio 2 and 3, Media 100 Suite 2.1.6, Premiere Pro CS 5.5 and 6.0, AJA ioHD, AJA Kona LHi, Blackmagic Ultrastudio 4K, Blackmagic Teranex, Avid MC, 2013 Mac Pro Hexacore, 1TB SSD, 64GB RAM, 2-D500, Helios 2 w 2-960GB SSDs: 2012 Hexacore MacPro 3.33 Ghz, 24Gb RAM, GTX-680, 960GB SSD: Macbook Pro 17″ 2011 2.2 Ghz Quadcore i7 16GB RAM 250GB SSD, Multiple OWC Thunderbay 4 TB2 and eSATA QX2 RAID 5 HD systems