Graeme Nattress
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But would you see any benefit to the JVC HD100 picture quality if you could attach a Panavision Primo Digital lens to it??
I fully see your point that Panasonic doesn’t manufacture their own lenses, but gets Leica to do it for them, but I don’t see how that equates to being worse value for money than a cheapo starter lens from a.n.other.
Graeme
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Because the for the quality of the lens you’d have to put on the front to do justice to the electronics at the back end will cost plenty more than the camera itself!
“The fixed lens technology at this level can never beat even the basic of standard definition professionally engineered lenses. Just can’t…..”
Why?? Please elaborate. Whether the lens is fixed or removable doesn’t effect the quality of the image, only the ease of use of the lens to achieve the results you want. I’ve owned cameras with real broadcast lenses and they’re just lovely to use, but I’ll struggle to afford the HVX200 as it is, never mind what a decent broadcast HD lens costs, and there’s very little point putting a cheapo SD broadcast lens on an HD camera – you may as well have shot SD in the first place.
I truely beleive that for the money, Panasonic can put a better fixed lens on that camera than I could afford in a removable lens, which means that I get a better picture for my dollar by going with a fixed lens until I can afford to go into silly prices for both camera and lens.
That’s why I was asking what lens people would put on the HVX200 if hypothetically Panasonic made it removable.
Graeme
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Say the HVX200 came with no lens and you had to supply your own – just hypothetically speaking – which lens do you put on it and why, and how much does that lens cost?
Graeme
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It’s all to do with MTF – that’s how much contrast the lens passes through as detail increases. As HD requires more definition, it needs a higher MTF or you’ll just get SD quality images at a higher resolution with no increase in definition. All things being equal, the better the MTF, the better the image. You also need to take more care over chromatic aberations as they are more easily noticed at the higher resolution of HD. Indeed, you need better lenses for HD than you do for 35mm film! That’s because the HD CCD is much smaller than the 35mm film frame, and hence the lens has to pass through finer detail. And that’s why an HD lens is not cheap.
Graeme
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I fully understand, acknowledge and want the benefits of better glass, but what are Panasonic to do?
1) fixed lens, but as that keeps costs down, good glass for the price
2) removable lens, “starter lens” included that doesn’t do justice to the camera (because it costs a lot more to make a removable lens than a fixed one)
3) removable lens, no “starter lens” – good glass that costs about $20k from a.n.other lens company
Who is going to buy the JVC camera and stick a $20k lens on it? That’s just silly! At that point they’d not want the compression compromises of HDV and put their decent HD lens on a real HD camera. There’s got to be balance between the lens, the video format and the electronics.
Panasonic are not going to radically alter the specs of the HVX200, so no amount of polls are going to change that. What I think you should be asking is for the features of HVX200 on a shoulder mount camera that has a removable lens. Then I’d totally agree with you, but I could never afford it! The HVX200 is about getting the best quality for the price, and that price is already too high for some people.
Graeme
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My Matte box fits with a rubber gasget that comes in many sizes, and even a one you can cut out your own shape, so as long as the mix keeps out of the way, I think we’ll be ok.
Graeme
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My first real camera was an MII and I loved it! Better picture than BetaSP for lower price. Given that they were not popular I picked it up really, really really cheap – about the cost of a new VX2000 or whatever DV camera was around at the time.
I don’t see any problem putting filters or other adapter lenses on the HVX200 – and indeed, I reckon Panasonic will make and market some themselves. I hope my existing matte box fits though!
Graeme
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Yes – I’d say go for a fully manual non-removable lens as long as it doesn’t impact on the picture quality. I’d pay another $1000CAD for a fully manual lens.
Graeme
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You say the JVC has superior optics, but you can’t possibly know that. The lens they ship with the camera is incredibly cheap for an HD lens, and therefore I don’t believe it can be a true HD lens. Even good SD lenses cost more than the JVC camera and lens together.
I think that Panasonic will probably do a big borther to the HVX200, and that will be like a SDX900 / Varicam hybrid on P2 steriods. That will have real lense and cost real money.
Seriously, by keeping the lens of the HVX integrated, Panasonic can spend more on it and get us better quality glass than if they’d spent the money making it removable. If there was a removable lens then I reckon it would cost twice the cost of the HVX to get a decent quality one that will do the camera justice.
In essence, calling for a removable lens on the HVX200 is just plain daft. Poll or no poll, Panasonic aren’t going to do that. If you really want the camera with a removable lens, then go get a Varicam.
Graeme
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I can see you using “confrom 23.98 to 29.97” as a special effect as it will make for nice fast motion, and that’s a handy trick. It’s also useful if you’re doing a 24p project and want to do some subtle slo-mo by shooting 30p and conforming down.
I took a look at the IO manual and it doesn’t mention 24p, 23.98, 3:2 pulldown or anything remotely like that. I know FCP only adds pulldown on DV playback, and I think it does so (or is at least meant to for DVCProHD playback to the AJ1200a). Can you cofirm that your IO will play back to tape from a 23.98fps timeline and produce a correct 3:2 pulldown in the process??? If this is so, perhaps AJA should advertise the fact??
Graeme
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