[Gary Huff]

[Jeremy Garchow]When going back to FCP7 from FCPX, everything is way more slow, more mechanical, and more importantly, less creative. That is important to me, maybe it isn’t to other people.

I don’t disagree with you on this though. FCP7 is not a modern NLE. I’m primarily a Premier editor (though I have no problems rooting around in FCP7) and that’s what I’m comparing FCPX to. And I’ve gone back and forth with each and I’m so much faster in Premiere CS5.5.

[Gary Huff]

[Craig Seeman]YouTube is a distribution channel. Are you thinking it’s something else?

I felt that “YouTube generation” comments were more about the look of the video then how people see it. There’s a certain “quality” about what the typical fare on YouTube is. That’s what the reference was about.

If they’ll pay my rates and the iPhone will give me the look I want, I’d have no problem with that. I’d shoot on Pixelvision if it’s appropriate as well. I have no reason to convince them to shoot on iPhone but I’d have no problem if it’s appropriate. There certainly are enough stories of corporate clients (former clients?) shooting on Flip cameras and editing on iMovie.

I’m not talking about you shooting on an iPhone and editing in iMovie. I’m talking about you convincing your clients to save their money hiring you and just to shoot on their phones and edit in iMovie themselves. After it, it’ll be good enough, right? Content is king!

So I guess good enough is what the client is willing to accept and pay for (but not at my rates) in some cases.

That’s my point. They shouldn’t be willing to pay for that. Since “good enough” is all we need now, they should just go out and shoot that interview themselves on their iPhone, then just trim it up a bit and add some pizazz in iMovie. What’s the benefit otherwise?

You do what you think is best to tell the story given the budget at hand.

Yep, it’s all about the content. Doesn’t need to be any budget, you can easily tell that story with the phone you have in your pocket and the free software that came on your laptop. No need to hire the Craig Seemans of the world when you, as a potential client, can easily get to “good enough” on your own, right?

[Gary Huff]

[Jeremy Garchow]You wouldn’t know VO is VO? As I mentioned, you can edit the role at anytime in three places, very easily. No moving to another track, or making new tracks and moving, or perhaps rearranging your whole audio track array to make room for a 2 second clip.

Jeremy, this is part of the reason I don’t believe you really know how much “faster” FCPX is in this regard. Moving audio to an entirely new track is just as fast (if not slightly faster) than re-assigning a role.

Do you know how to create a new audio track? Click and hold on the clip you want to move to the new track, pull down to below the last track, and release. 1-2 seconds max. How much faster do you think this can get?

[Gary Huff]

[Jeremy Garchow]Equal weight, fair enough I guess. What do we know about CS6 exactly?

It will be awesome.

[Gary Huff]

[Craig Seeman]It’s not either/or. It’s more ways to create and distribute. Certainly the internet is increasing distribution options.

I have said nothing at all about distribution. I have talked about YouTube and “good enough.” Why are you not convincing your clients to just shoot on an iPhone and edit on iMovie. And that one project you’re having to take over because iMovie can’t cut it? (pun intended) Maybe they should just have come up with a simpler idea instead of having to hire you. Isn’t content king? Why do complicated videos even need to exist in our YouTube age?

[Gary Huff]

[Jeremy Garchow]If you add up the time it takes to assign a role (which can be done with a keyboard shortcut) and the time it takes to arrange your timeline in tracks over the course of the edit, my money is on roles.

I’m not just trying to be contrary, but nothing you have said conceptualize in my head how of this would ultimately be any faster, at least not in a meaningful way. And I don’t feel that I’m alone in this.

I guess you don’t understand how fast this process can be.

Well, you are either not explaining it well enough, I simply need to use the program, or you are so intent on seeing FCPX become the standard that you are convinced already without the slightest shred of evidence. To be honest, all three of these have equal weight at this point in time.

Sure an Index might come in CS6, but that is more of a stretch as it’s not in there today. The FCPX Index was in v10.0.0.

Apple has a track record that tells me that nothing is a given with what will happen with future revisions of FCPX all the way up to FCPX2 (if that comes out). Right now, I’d say the two have equal weight as well. We have no idea as to the extent that CS6 will be like, but I would argue that we have a far better idea of that then we do of FCPX.

[Gary Huff]

[kim krause]every time i bring it up i get shot down by so called professionals who think they know better.

A professional is someone who make their living primarily by their work in video production, not as to whether or not they agree with your opinion.

and i have been insulted a few times but i could care less.

Yet you keep bringing it up, so it obviously bothers you.

one idiot on this forum even went so far as to tell me that because i was a female i was reacting way too emotionally.

I guess taking the high road was too much for you, eh?

instead i get attacked by arrogant people telling me that what do i know!

Again, your definition of “attacked” is really stretching things. I haven’t seen anything of the nature you’re talking about, besides the comment about you being female. Persecution complex much?

guess i shouldn’t care so much and just leave them alone to find out for themselves and quit trying to be like noah herding all the animals on the boat before the rains hit.

Oh, so now your opinion is so correct that people who don’t agree do so at the risk of their own financial peril. I see.

and stop insulting me with your life lessons. i learn from life and after 55+ years i doubt there is much you could tell me!

Arrogant, aren’t you? Let me tell you something. I know plenty of men and women who have gone through life without apparently learning much of anything. Just because you’ve lived for a certain amount of years doesn’t mean you have an ounce of wisdom in your head. You live and die by what you say and do, not by how much supposed experience we should automatically grant you to have once you’ve reached a certain number of years.

[Gary Huff]

[Gerald Baria]And FCPX’s main tagline is to relieve us from all the repetitive tasks that we do (like organizing,

Whether you are using FCPX’s metadata, or re-naming clips in the bin, the process still involves clicking on a video clip, and typing in information. How does FCPX relieve you from this particular task?

and clicking and dragging stuff just to make sure clips don’t collide and sync stays where they’re suppose to be )

Do you have a problem with this? I don’t.

[Gary Huff]

[Jeremy Garchow]You can add roles en masse in the browser, think of it as preassigning your video and audio assignments before you even edit.

It’s easy to say this, but probably won’t be as easy to do. What do you mean by “en masse”? Let’s say I import a bunch of clips (audio and video) into FCPX. It will “sort” them in the most basic way possible and then I have to still select groupings of clips to assign them. I.E. I may have imported video b-roll, video interviews, music, audio clips, ect. There is no “en masse” way to assign anything to this because FCPX has no way of knowing itself what each clip is until I assign it personally. So, before I can edit a single frame of footage, I have to click on or otherwise select a grouping of clips, and assign them that role.

Then when editing, I don’t have to stop and think and click which Video and Audio tracks of the incoming clip are mapped to which tracks in the timeline.

But you haven’t really saved any time because you had to spend it all at the beginning prepping footage…and again every time you have to import some new asset.

Are you shocked at that conclusion? You still haven’t used FCPX, right?

And neither have you…at least not the FCPX you’re talking about.

[Gary Huff]

[Herb Sevush]I can foresee an incredible future for Lightworks, my personal dark horse favorite in the NLE sweepstakes – trackless and tracked switchable, unlimited multi-cam, auditions – whatever you can dream of, I can dream as well, only it’s free.

With both Apple and Microsoft lining up to guzzle from the tablet trough, it might be that the future of workstation video editing is in the hands of Lightworks on Linux.