Fred Jean
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Lol…you’ve nailed it: “problem solving”
Yes, it’s not Resolve.
I agree that barking on the reality doesn’t solve anything,
Like complaining about the weather.
We have to find solutions, period.
But that was not the meaning of my post, and sorry for
Being maybe unprecise because I’m french and my english
Is not really top.What I was trying to express is this:
If Apple did a weired implementation
Why it became a sort of standart? And not so much Dnx?
This is not a “war” intent but an honest question.Marc, I’m new in this business and still have a lot to learn.
As you imagine, the QT shift and unconsistancy is one of
The sins I had to learn to solve and yeah, internet is plagued
With this topic .
But to be honest, when one enters this industry and in the learning
Curve, sometimes it’s demoralising and you just want to
Send everythibg to hell because it’ like entering into an enormous
Mess. And as you point, it’s problem solver more than color.
I started to realise how little standardized is this industry and
For a newcommer it’s puzzling.I’ve learned how to deal with the QT crap. I had to, like everyone has to.
But what I don’t get, it’s the backstage. Why Apple has not
Brought a cure knowing the problem from eons?
So yes, barking on things that are what they are is pointless,
But I’m just trying to understand the reasons of such a mess.
Look at internet, just this website for ex. Go in any forum
And watch the threads tittles. 80% are things like: media does
Not relink, color gamut issues, gamna sins, unconsityency
In the workflow…etc etc…is it that acceptable in any other industry?
In other words: this is an enormous mess. And the people who
Really know are a few. As a newcommer, I’m trying to read
The most experienced and sometimes it’s not easy to figure out
Who knows and who seems to know but doesn’t.
So instead of spending 8 hours learning the task itself, I spend
An incredible amount of hours in internet just to solve problems
That shouldn’t be problems if this business was not the mess it is.Take Aces for ex. I applaude. But then, who realky uses Aces
To date? Still very few. And it’s not for everyone because
One has to really know what he is doing.
I can’t give myself for satisfy using the exr Red implemented
And I remember gazillion of threads on R3d with Aces that were
False information. In the end, no idt with R3d because I finaly
Falled on a Graeme post in the red forum.
And that, after reading tons of posts that were confusing and unreliable.
So yeah, we always end to fix
What has to be fixed, but when you just enter this business
Beleive me, it’s not easy and sometimes not easy not to bark
On such mess.Best regards.
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But is it then a QT implementation or it has to do with the allProres itself devellopement.
My point is that, as Marc said, the massive storage
Required to handle images that keep consistency
Is beyond the scopes of many.Why if “problematic” it became so popular
And more universal than Dnx?
And why if Apple is not bringing consistency with color space
And gamma in their own product people aren’t just
Using other stuff?
We’re not any longuer in a past when
A Avid seat was tens of thousands and the only cool stuff
Was fcp7 and windows was crap and unintuitive?
Now it’s a different world.Do we have, as users, buyers, to have to handle those kind
Of irritating B.S ?
So what’s really happening with Apple? Is it QT implementation only?I don’t understand this industry to be honest.it’s the wild westl, lots of proprietary formats, nothing or almost nothing
Is regulated and standart. Maintining consistency in the all pipeline is done at a high cost. Everybody has to becone an expert engineer in color science just not to screw it in the middle of the mess. Wrappers that shift gamma and do fancy stuff is just the tip of the iceberg.https://vimeo.com/fredjeangasc
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Oui c’est vrai! Je me souviens que tu me l’avais dit il y a quelques
Années dans ce forum.https://vimeo.com/fredjeangasc
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Thanks for those infos Michael.
Same here, it works on rental basically.
Sorry for my english, yes by “elite” I was talking as the
Very same you described.
The problem is that my english is not that good. I’m french,
And so to comunicate I often use “shorcuts” and vague
Expressions because I lack vocabulary.
That’s why I tend to edit my posts to try to rewritte better
When I realise how clumpsy they are.
My english writting style, very direct and often politically
Incorrect reflects that lack of “grey scale” because for a
Foreigner it’s easier to use “street” kind of lenguage or
Over simplify.Cheers.
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Thanks for the link Michael.
Exactly, a part from the biggest productions where people
Are hired exclusively for their talents in one area, the other
Productions are the way you described. And those smaller
Prods and indies are the vast majority.
I ignore in terms of numbers what that represents.
3% fraction of an elite market represents let’s say 40% of global revenues?
I claim my ignorance.
It would be interesting to know the relation.https://vimeo.com/fredjeangasc
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By the way Michael.
Is your AMA plug-in available somewhere? It sounds really interesting.Keeping the conversation,
I see the Cow and here, there are many highly technical people.
Often, I stay in admiration when I see those pros who
Know not only the core of their primary tools but technical
Knowledge that belong more to engineering.
And then I realise this:Years ago, I assisted during 2 years one of the top fashion photographer.
I was introduced to him by a friend of mine, art photographer,
We connected well and he asked me to come to some shootings,
And step by step I became to be part of the team. We did
All the world class top models, Gisele, Bar etc…
What caught my atention, is that the guy knew nothing on tech except
What he uses. All is knowledge was aimed to the psychological
Relation with the models, the mundaine-business relationships and all related
With the image itself. But he was absolutly useless when it came to
All the what I call “cable-and-microship-jargon”.
His assistants knew more of softwares, hardwares and cableries.
Same with the very few famous editors I met. They do not know
What Aja could be. They would think you’re talking of Ajax a product to clean bathrooms…
Those guys just step away from technicity like a nun with the anti-christ, and in fact it is because
They can.But people like me, and probably most of the people
Here, it’s the wild west because we constantly have to deal
With gazillions of technicities instead of being centered in
The task itself. I don’t think Thelma Shoonmaker is spending 2
Minutes in internet wondering if Aja or not Aja for her next workstation.
She probably don’t even know about Resolve. I don’t
Know her personaly and maybe I’m wrong and she likes
Cables and microships, but the big fishes rarely are frequenting internet nor are interested in “the media does not relink”. I saw that over
And over again in the very high-end, the “artist elite” if I may say. But those are like the 3% billionaires.
In general, we have to become knowledgable in many aspects, solve daily problems in a chain that is unstable by nature,
Wich is very time consuming.
For us, webs like the Cow are our salvation, we have our own free support.
The workflow as it is, is over complicated. Too many systems, too many
Of everything. It’s the wwest.
So people will jump into Resolve 12 because it simplifies, and will forgive if the editor is not hassle-free.
I think the current mentality-needs, claims more for rock-solid
Color-conform capabilities than a strong NLE limited in those aspects.
Did Avid made a mistake with DS? As you point, they aren’t probably not interested in having this part of the market, but they will need revenus.Same with Lightworks. I’m trying to put pressure on Editshare
At the level I can reach in order to incitate them to get a partnership
With a color app. Would it be Baselight or Resolve. They already did
A good step integrating Fusion and it’s great indeed. But the color
Is still missing. Now…Editshare could survive without LW, their
Core business is in media management and they even provide it
For Avid platforms. So maybe what does Blackmagic is not of interest
For those companies.https://vimeo.com/fredjeangasc
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You’re absutly right Michael. Nice post.
Probably, BM will force others to shake their bottoms and rethink-redesign their products and strategies. That can not be bad for all.About Avid, yeah…I’ve been away from PP during almost a year (sort of hollydays) and when back,
Guess what? I was almost a complete beginner on Avid. It took me one entire day to be operative again. MC can be intuitive when we know it, but
It is so easy to forget that in the end I think MC is not intuitive at all. It’s not like learning to swim once for awhile. So I imagine the new generation on it…Here in spain, the cine industry, or I should say what’s left from the cine industry, like in France, is
Highly law protected. Syndicates, no mess with extra hours, absolutly no multitask people (what? An editor who color??) bla bla…and yes, this is like another planet.Even for instance if you go to a dedicating colorist forum, Resolve is curiously not necessarly the emperor (the most loved by color artists) but it is true that we are going to multitask people and softwares will have to respond to this reality.
Resolve 12 certainly does respond to this.But what puzzles me the most is this: why Resolve understood something that others did not? I mean,
The tendency is there now for quite some time. As you point, if pne can edit comfortably in Resolve, why would it uses then NLEs with the roudtripping involved? In the end,
80% of the workd will cut and color in Resolve, you’ll see.
Who are the dudes in the marketong deps of the other brands? Really, this was quite easy to see it comming.https://vimeo.com/fredjeangasc
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Curious…in the reacent past, I’ve been claiming for
An all-in-one like Resolve 12. When Avid killed DS,
I was bloody pissed. Smoke never appeared to me
Intuitive and its editing caps where painfull.
Now Resolve will release 12 and to be honest, with
A bit more distance, I’m not that hot anymore.BM tries to make us think that the editing will be at
The level of Avid or LW? Mmmm…I think many folks
Will be disapointed. I see Resolve very strong for stuff
Like docus, or with the wanabee crowd that can access
A free all-in-one, but will it appeal to the cine crowd? I
Doubt it. Both Avid and Editshare are strong in media
Management and if you have ever edited on LW and then
Being on Resolve will remain extremely painfull.
I still think that softwares for specialists are the best option.
But 80% of the world now thinks different. They want the swiss knife.LW on rental is very afforbable but if you look carefully, not that
Low cost, just a bit cheaper than a Scratch app on rental and
In film, the editors who cut on LW feature films have the editshare
Support behind wich is more than 400 bucks a month plus their
Media management wich jumps to ks numbers at the speed of light.Same story with Avid. Many complains on “the Avid way” but in
The end, on complex projects, those platforms shine. resolve
Might Resolve 90% of the hassles, but it’s those 10%.
Why paying Arri when we can afford super cheap imagery elsewere,
Yes, but…you know what I mean.https://vimeo.com/fredjeangasc